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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#481 - 2012-10-07 09:45:35 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

A retriever is a mining barge. We're talking about Exhumers which take quite a bit longer to skill in to.

Which, if you read my entire post, you'd have noticed that i said....exactly that....
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#482 - 2012-10-07 10:18:30 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:


You're just as bad as the miners that complain about get ganked when they can fit a tank. Adapt, dual box, make some friends, jesus.


You cant adapt if there is no way to make a profit killing these things.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#483 - 2012-10-07 10:22:58 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

A retriever is a mining barge. We're talking about Exhumers which take quite a bit longer to skill in to.

Which, if you read my entire post, you'd have noticed that i said....exactly that....


Except that relatively new players don't pilot Exhumers.

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Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#484 - 2012-10-07 10:32:14 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Except that relatively new players don't pilot Exhumers.

Sure they can, if that is the career of choice that they embark on. It doesnt take THAT long to get into one (i've not tried to calculate it, but i imagine its less than 2 months total training time)... and while skilling up, they'll be able to amass the ISK needed to buy it.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#485 - 2012-10-07 10:34:07 UTC
Oggat wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Actually, it's between 1-3x as much as marauders. And yes, it's blap dreads, amongst others.


So you PvP in a ship that can tank up to and including a doomsday and you are belly aching because they gave the Hulk some EHP.

Gotcha

Yes. In a place where there's no such thing as "concord" to safe me, meaning your point about EHP matters absolutely fuckall.

Next.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#486 - 2012-10-07 10:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?


Why it has to be profitable?

So, you don't do it for reasons you say you do it but you do it only for profit.

If you get 60M/hr from every ratting bo... alt you have then that's easily enough to bring that risk to hisec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#487 - 2012-10-07 10:35:23 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Except that relatively new players don't pilot Exhumers.

Sure they can, if that is the career of choice that they embark on. It doesnt take THAT long to get into one (i've not tried to calculate it, but i imagine its less than 2 months total training time)... and while skilling up, they'll be able to amass the ISK needed to buy it.


By that point they are no longer a new player.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#488 - 2012-10-07 10:38:50 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?


Why it has to be profitable?

So, you don't do it for reasons you say you do it but you do it only for profit.


I have always said we did it for profit. It just happens to also result in better mineral and ice prices for miners as well as great at removing bots. It is truely staggering how you can manage to be wrong 100% of the time.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#489 - 2012-10-07 10:41:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I have always said we did it for profit. It just happens to also result in better mineral and ice prices for miners as well as great at removing bots. It is truely staggering how you can manage to be wrong 100% of the time.


Why you don't just use your ratting bo... alts to finance elite pvp?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#490 - 2012-10-07 10:43:06 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I have always said we did it for profit. It just happens to also result in better mineral and ice prices for miners as well as great at removing bots. It is truely staggering how you can manage to be wrong 100% of the time.


Why you don't just use your ratting bo... alts to finance elite pvp?

What need do they have for that? They have tech moons.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#491 - 2012-10-07 10:43:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


Why you don't just use your ratting bo... alts to finance elite pvp?


Because the cost would be impossible to manage and we are not interested in losing vast sums of isk for no gain.
Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#492 - 2012-10-07 10:44:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

By that point they are no longer a new player.

At roughly 2 months old, you are not exactly a wily veteran either....

There are exceptions to that one, but generally speaking, they still count as "new" in my book.
Pipa Porto
#493 - 2012-10-07 10:45:57 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


Got any evidence that shows people are actually recycling alts? Didn't think so.

Im sure something can be dug up if one goes far enough back, people used to brag about it. Generally speaking though, the only ones who could "prove" anything is CCP, they are the ones sitting on all our accounts.


So your answer is no, no you don't have any evidence.


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In all honesty, thats a rather idiotic statement to make.

What if the player is relatively new, dont really have many/any skills unrelated to mining (that he didnt start with), and he does not want to go into low sec or 0.0 (where chances are far greater he'll lose another ship rather than actually making any money) ? And he certainly neither has the skills nor money for a HAC, BC, BS, or what have you.

If you ask me, your "solution" is just about the dumbest thing the barge user could have possibly done. But hey, thats just my opinon :)


So, you're assuming that gankers have access to nullsec and the skills to rat, but you want to assume that Miners don't? Funny how you have to assume miners have no social capital and haven't figured out how to belt rat safely.

If you don't have the income to easily replace the ship you're flying, maybe you might consider taking precautions to protect it. Why do miners keep crying poverty when their actions clearly indicate that their losses are so insignificant that they can't even be bothered to keep their ships safe?

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#494 - 2012-10-07 10:46:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
baltec1 wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


Why you don't just use your ratting bo... alts to finance elite pvp?


Because the cost would be impossible to manage and we are not interested in losing vast sums of isk for no gain.


Isk/hr from one ratting bo... alt: 60M/hr
60M = four T2 fit Catalysts?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#495 - 2012-10-07 10:47:16 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

By that point they are no longer a new player.

At roughly 2 months old, you are not exactly a wily veteran either....

There are exceptions to that one, but generally speaking, they still count as "new" in my book.


There is a type of player in between the new player & the veteran. You seem to be doing your best to ignore this. fortunately, CCP agrees that a player in an Exhumer is not new Big smile

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#496 - 2012-10-07 10:50:23 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

By that point they are no longer a new player.

At roughly 2 months old, you are not exactly a wily veteran either....

There are exceptions to that one, but generally speaking, they still count as "new" in my book.

What if someone has been playing the game for 5 years, and are still rocking the exhumer. What then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#497 - 2012-10-07 10:51:42 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
What if someone has been playing the game for 5 years, and are still rocking the exhumer. What then?


And you don't gank his 100k EHP Skiff?

Well, you are doing it wrong.
Pipa Porto
#498 - 2012-10-07 10:52:05 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?


Why it has to be profitable?

So, you don't do it for reasons you say you do it but you do it only for profit.

If you get 60M/hr from every ratting bo... alt you have then that's easily enough to bring that risk to hisec.


Because if it isn't profitable, people will not do it in numbers large enough to represent a significant risk to miners. Even when it was profitable, the ~500k ISK/hr (assuming a HS mining fleet of 1700 Exhumers total*) risk that miners faced over the course of HAG isn't actually significant.
Where have I ever said I suicide gank for any reason other than profit? Quote and Link, Liar.

What in the world does ratting have to do with anything?

So, since you didn't answer the question, what significant risk do miners face, aside from profit based Suicide Ganks?


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Pipa Porto
#499 - 2012-10-07 10:53:37 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Because the cost would be impossible to manage and we are not interested in losing vast sums of isk for no gain.


Isk/hr from one ratting bo... alt: 60M/hr
60M = four T2 fit Catalysts?


Reading Comprehension. Try it.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#500 - 2012-10-07 10:53:53 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


Isk/hr from one ratting bo... alt: 60M/hr
60M = four T2 fit Catalysts?


Yes, I am going to go ratting all the time to fund a gank campain that will lose me all my isk on miners while we are fighting a warRoll