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In the past I questioned Issler Dainze on her stance pertaining to mining "improvements." Her response was dodgy at first, but she did come up with a few very nice pieces of propaganda before being elected to the CSM:





The upcoming changes to aggression mechanics and the recent changes to Exhumers and Barges hardly seem consistent with these views. This is because the Mackinaw is pretty much the clear-cut plateau for mining in almost all situations due to its beefy EHP, its cavernous ore bay, and its astonishing yield. With a Mackinaw in today's Eve, miners may mine unmolested in 0.7 security space and higher without reasonable fear of risk.

How, exactly, does that make the process more engaging and less bot-friendly? If you agree with me that this is more bot friendly, what advice do you have for CCP about the direction of mining from here on?

Further, how do the changes favor a diversification of fits and ship selection, when one pinnacle ship clearly has more of everything miners want than either of the other two in its class? How is today's situation any better at all than the time when the Great Untanked Hulk was just as ubiquitous? If it isn't a better scenario than before, what would you suggest for a change to the new mining vessels?

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How rude of me...

Thank you in advance for your time and attentive answer.

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I'm not sure you explained how the changes work against bots. Nor how they discourage plateauing.

You just said there are other things coming, that's not the same.

I'm looking for specifics about these changes. Ie, are they consistent with the above-mentioned quotes, and if not, are you against them philosophically?

Fixed.

There's no need, CCP just rolled the buffer modules into the ship's basic statline for you.

In fairness, there is a lot for her to answer for here. I can understand her trepidation to remark on how the "mining buffs" fit her self-ascribed vision of "what most miners actually want."

The changes we got seem to be changes in the wrong direction even from the quoted viewpoints expressed by CSM Dainze before the changes ever hit SiSi!
It's a bit of a pickle.

Most Americans would vote for it

I am not hearing any miners complaining about the barge changes. I see some trolls trying to make some strange case that the barge changes "hurt" miners.

The barge changes were not about stopping botting. CCP has other things constantly in play to address that.

So if some miners have some mining related topics they would like to discuss let me know but realize, there is a full plate of work on CCP's table already so if its some big new thing, you won't see it for years.

Issler

The more interesting changes are not the barge changes, although I think most miners like those quite a bit and the new mining frigate should be interesting as well.

As I mentioned before the items that will start to make mining a richer experience are in the pipe, the new compound rocks and actively controlled lasers will be first and then ring mining. The laws of physics means that you won't get everything instantly. So all I can say, and what I've been saying for some time is there are some great new things in plan for miners but it will be some time before we get them all.

Issler

Not. One. Iota. Of. Substance.

Compound rocks do not have anything to do with the questions. Actively controlled lasers have nothing to do with the questions. Ring mining has nothing to do with the specific questions that were asked.

Hoever, in the interest of manners and good taste, I wish to thank you very much for confirming what many already undoubtedly suspected: You are unable to give a straight answer pertaining to any issues potentially introduced by an apparent "buff" to mining. One, I might add, which has caused ice prices to deflate past the pricing indexes achieved through Goonswarm's ice interdiction and the subsequent Evergeddon.

Obviously this thread was a waste of time, though.

It's ok you can go back to AFK mining now.

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Why would miners use the Skiff for ninja mining, an activity which encourages the rapid uptake of resources and the timely exit of the miner before detection? The Skiff has the lowest yield of all the barges, making it the most likely to be detected.

Hey look we're dialoguing!

Would you mind directly addressing the questions now, though, please?
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You continue to evade the original questions. How do the barge changes address plateauing, a goal specifically stated by CCP in their re-design? Further, do you find the new exhumer experience more engaging and interactive than the old exhumers? If not, what advice do you have for CCP about future directions? Most importantly, did the changes make mining harder to bot?

You keep saying what's coming and what's consistent, but it looks like there's a lot of inconsistencies here and I'd think you'd have an opinion about that. Being that, you know, you claim to be one of the high-sec CSMs and also seem closest to the issues of mining.

We do agree the market will work itself out, though. We probably disagree on where that equilibrium will be found (I say material values from high-sec will approach zero over a long enough time) but hey, at least there's that. We agree on something, anyway.