EVE General Discussion

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Rambo: We were in this bar in Saigon and this kid comes up, this kid carrying a shoe-shine box. And he says "Shine, please, shine!" I said no. He kept askin', yeah, and Joey said "Yeah." And I went to get a couple of beers, and the box was wired, and he opened up the box, ******* blew his body all over the place. And he's laying there, he's ******* screaming. There's pieces of him all over me, just...
[Takes off his bandolier]
Rambo: like this, and I'm tryin' to pull him off, you know, my friend that's all over me! I've got blood and everything and I'm tryin' to hold him together! I'm puttin'... the guy's fuckin' insides keep coming out! And nobody would help! Nobody would help! He's saying, sayin' "I wanna go home! I wanna go home!" He keeps calling my name! "I wanna go home, Johnny! I wanna drive my Chevy!" I said "With what? I can't find your fuckin' legs! I can't find your legs!"

There's over 110,000.00 Players who are in "The Scope" NPC Corp.
Granted, some are there waiting to join another Player Corp, but for the majority - All Highsec players.
Change Highsec, touch it just a bit too much and I am willing to bet Eve will crash a lot sooner.
It's not broken, stop trying to mess with it.

Use your ingame map, start playing around with all the nice settings it has. Look who owns what, where the most kills are, Sov changes, incursions, you name it. Go on, use the map, talk is cheap. Highsec is a tiny percentage of the Eve Universe with the most players involved in it. Stop screwing around with CCP's gold. In fact, don;t worry, CCP know this to be very real and true.

If you think lots of people unsubbed because of Incarna, I'd hazard a good guess that the number of unsubs would triple or quadruple if Highsec is messed around with in any way meant to nerf it. Go on, I dare you, see what CCP say to that.

That is the basic truth of the matter - money. Highsec is money to CCP, loads of it.

Blast away.

U mean that there are no greedy ppl in high sec that always mission and salvage their missions so they can squeeze out every isk to pay their plexes with. Do u mean those people that never buy character or sell gtc´s to buy supers or better pvp character with? Do u mean those people that sell plex to fund their pvp habbit?... For ccp they are less important cause they dont genarate $$. I think that when the see a big - drop in active 0.0 dwellers they saw their income in plexes plummet.... but....omg i think u must be right, nerfing high sec might be the only way to push those people into 0.0 and open their eyes so they can realze how how fun it is to be active in pvp. For high sec dwellers everything evolved around isk,.. for 0.0 dwellers its fun that keeps them in the game. Have u seen that 10k active ppl number drop.... that was not because all agents got buffed to max Level.

You got it right, for the wrong reasons.

It IS about the money - Do you think ISK <> RL Money ? You would be naive and wrong to make that assumption.
Highsec players don't want to play your version of their Game, you don't want to play the Highsec players version of their game. Again, look at your map, look at the total space Highsec occupies. Do it before posting a reply, else you're not really interested in any debate. Thinking Highsec players do not have fun is also very naive.

Change nothing. Fix nullsec. Do not touch Concord reaction times. Remove insurance if ship is blown due to Concord punishment. Do not screw with Highsec dynamics. Fix what's broken first, don't try break what's working well already.

That's the actual quote from the film (and from the book) can hardly go more graphic without a cut scene, now can it ?

And for the record to fear mongers goons are not illuminati, ther's no secret society hell bent on trying to ruin our game just kids getting rocks off for being a nuisance in online games anyway they can because other kids already kicked their teeth in at the sand box for trying to do the same.

I am a long time player who has a few accounts and over the years I've experimented with many aspects of Eve. I enjoyed some parts of Null-Sec, but some other parts of it are a pain in the ass. I have also tried Wormhole space which was interesting for a while. Having said that, all of my accounts are back in Empire space with no plans to move anytime soon.

The reason I stay in empire is I am a casual player at this point. I only get a few hours here and there that I can play. When I log in I really don't want to find that our space has been invaded by xyz corp and there are 200 ships camped outside my station, meaning that I'm not undocking today because 3 people from my corp are online.

If CCP were to nerf empire space to the point that it was no longer enjoyable to play, I would cancel my subs and just move to the next game that I find enjoyable.

In the end, CCP can not force anyone to do what they do not wish to do. They can make Null Sec more attractive, and some people may move there and find it enjoyable. But the people that do not desire to play that style of game simply will not play it. There are hundreds of MMO's to choose from.

why use a giant inflation causing carrot when you can use a giant nerfing stick?

i wonder what % of that 110k are inactive toons on inactive accounts.. id bet its a high number

This hasn't happened yet. Hopefully CCP will realize that they already got null sec right... it's just not where they thought it was. There's a great little null sub-culture in wormholes, it really won't help the game to break one area where you've achieved so much, even if by accident, in order to encourage others to go where they simply don't want to be. C'mon CCP... look at what we have here in w-space. It's thriving, it's more null than null even, it's Eve frontier living at it's finest. We know you love empire null and want to make it better, but wormholes are a part of Eve now too. Love us as well! Look to wormholes not as a place to find what you can take from us, but as a place to find what you can learn from us.

You have an awesome character name but your post is bad.

It consists entirely of rhetorical questions and does not even try to present a substantial argument to back up all the ~implications~.

0.0 and its large-scale fleet combat, the extraordinary degree of organization and formation of idiosyncratic cultures in the large alliances, the epic stories of power, theft and betrayal it creates, ... are some of the most important USPs of EVE.

A push to 0.0 could very well be explained as an effort to emphasize the product's unique strengths during troubled times.

I also guess that 0.0 alliances are very valued helpers of CCP - you start your computer and get logged in to several EVE-related jabber channels automatically; you fetch a cup of coffee and spend the next 20 minutes getting up to speed reading alliance forums, you are growing tired of EVE but instead of quitting EVE you just stay subscribed to play WoT, HoN or BC2 with your (EVE) alliance mates; you are watching a movie when suddenly ping the jabber broadcast comes in that hostile supers are tackled - after logging in you find out they were tackled by some Rifter in the belt but you don't go back to watching TV anyways; ...

There are many mechanics put in place by large alliances that help player involvement and retention a lot more than solo-mining in high-sec does (or Spacebook will ever be able to). Giving players a slight push in that direction would probably not be a bad idea...

Also some 0.0 alliances (you know who I am talking of) are very, very good at training newbies and making them feel useful & important. The EVE NPE has improved a lot over time but as CCP itself likes to point out becoming member of a player corporation early helps newbie retention tremendously and the large alliances have excellent economies of scale that result in high-quality teaching materials and classes.

Last but not least you can practice many high-sec playstyles in 0.0 (mining, mission running, exploration, ...) but the opposite is not true.