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ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2012-10-05 19:42:01 UTC
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
ISD Athechu wrote:
I have finished.....

Please continue.....

Please also remember the Forum Rules

Thank you!



Arguments and the like would actually really help get to the root of the issues you know? heh



Decent discussion is always welcome on these forums. Inciting people to break the rules of the forums however, is not. If comments are edited or removed, it is because they are in breach of the policies and rules that govern the forums, usually those breaches are because of (but not limited to) personal attacks, foul language or trolling.

We all want to have good solid discussions on the topics that we, as EVE players, have a vested interest in. So lets try and keep it sensible and free of rule breaking. Smile

[b]ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Tragedy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-10-05 19:49:17 UTC
I could care less about a console fps. As has been said before, if it was on PC I'd care.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#123 - 2012-10-05 22:49:10 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
It should be noted, Planetside 2 is PC only.

So it's not in direct competition with Dust 514.
Actually, you could argue the direct opposite I feel.

I'm sure CCP would like to harvest many EVE players for Dust - and they already have a PC. The fact they don't have to wander out to buy a fairly outdated platform for one game I would say PS2 provides a fair amount of competition to Dust.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#124 - 2012-10-05 23:06:36 UTC
Hi,

I've just had to remove a couple of disturbing posts from this thread.

Please understand that personal attacks against members of the ISD are in violation of a number of rules and have been reported to CCP.

Thanks and fly safe.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#125 - 2012-10-05 23:10:26 UTC
ISD Athechu wrote:
Please also remember the Forum Rules
It's always the "Rules" it seems. Roll

I note in the media Sony has spent nearly $2 Billion USD in buying all sorts of random companies in the last quarter, including medical, chemical and camera technology.

The Sony CEO has been sharing the stage with gaming experts basically claiming the end of the console is nigh. Strange enough for a company with ongoing speculation about the PS4 all over the shop.

Personally I'm confident my PC and Mac will still be around for my interest in EVE and other games I enjoy. I say this as I use an old X-Box for a foot rest dragged out about once a year to play "Munch's Oddysee".

When I fire up my City's local and this kind of thing in on the front page it wouldn't make me feel confident:

Quote:
Sony and Sharp have the same problem: lost power to innovate to Apple and the Koreans; high overheads; no new products," said Donald van Deventer, the CEO of Kamakura Corporation, a company that provides risk-management research.

Kamakura estimates Sony's one-year probability of default at 1.53 percent. "We generally consider anything above 1 per cent as somewhat risky," van Deventer said.

At the end of June its shareholder equity ratio, a key indicator of its financial standing, had dipped below 15 per cent, when a rate of 20 per cent is considered the healthy minimum.

Making Hirai's task harder, borrowing to help pay for Sony's turnaround became more expensive on September 25 when, citing persistent weakness in consumer electronics, Standard & Poor's cut its long-term debt rating to two rungs above junk. Rival ratings agency Moody's is set to deliver its judgment on Sony by November.
For now, Hirai is resorting to asset sales.
So that's my feeling on investing time in DUST 514 with Sony like I have invested nearly half a decade in EVE.

Oh and ISD "slander" and "rumor" zealots this is from this article:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/03/us-sony-finances-idUSBRE8921F320121003

So you can take your issues up with Reuters, not me or my post.
Aerethir El-Kharisti
#126 - 2012-10-06 07:05:20 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
I hope it succeeds.
A: If Dust can stand on its own legs, the EvE profit will go back to EvE or new projects
B: Dust can be the test dummy for CCP for EvE "on foot" environments.
C. We grow our community as more people notice CCP. Not just for Dust, but for EvE as well when they want to support their isk habit. Which means more fodder for everyone and money for CCP to fuel more space stuff.


We should be so lucky :P

With great power comes great electricity bill.
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#127 - 2012-10-06 09:27:09 UTC
Selinate wrote:

SOE completely screwed Planetside back in the day


Soe can't screw up EVERY game they run surely!? Surely not every time?!

With regards to dust, I just don't think PI is the most interesting thing they can tie it too. No one really cares enough. Maybe if dust players could be hired to disrupt null moon mining operations, then it would really shake up the game in an interesting way. But PI has never really even crossed my radar since it was introduced.

But I hope it's good, and we're not just going to be swimming in obsolete junk ships and mods in eve for the sake of some failed console game. I hope.
Gibbah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-10-06 09:35:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbah
I just thought I would try Dust. Noticed it was not avaliable for PC. Dropped the thought right away. And I own a PS3.
Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-10-06 09:55:14 UTC
Since the latest build things have really started to come together for DUST 514 it's quite fun to play and not too repetative. Looking forward to it improving over the next couple of months.

As for the PC superiority nonsense, sure DUST might come to PC one day but if CCP want to expand into new platforms like game companies always do then fine, heck one day they might even make a game that has nothing to do with EVE shock horror! It's a company it's goal is profit not to stick to one game in one genre and never expand it's remit.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2012-10-06 12:04:57 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
I'm an avid Unreal Tournament 3 player so I consider myself pretty good at first person shooters. Thing is I don't own a Playstation 3, and I don't see myself buying one to play Dust 514 either.

So unless CCP comes to it's senses and ports Dust 514 to the PC, its just not something I'm interested in.



This.

I'd be interested in Dust, but I refuse to buy a PS3 for the game. I spent more then enough on my computer thanks.
Kinet
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#131 - 2012-10-06 13:27:49 UTC
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
[quote=F'elch]
Think about this, Sony don't want MS to get Dust based on the fact that it could actually work and be something amazing, Sony agrees to make the changes to their online infrastructure to allow Dust to work on the condition that Dust is made PS3 exclusive.

Why do Sony it as an exclusive? It's good for bragging about as its an exclusive, but most importantly, it keeps Dust OFF the PC for awhile so Sony can release Plantside 2 without any competition from Dust as they are both FPSMMO games and a lot of EVE players are playing Planetside 2, if Dust was being beta tested on the PC where would they all be? Testing Dust not Planetside.



You got any proof? Did Sony call Mittens and tell him this? LOL
Kinet
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#132 - 2012-10-06 13:29:27 UTC
Gibbah wrote:
I just thought I would try Dust. Noticed it was not avaliable for PC. Dropped the thought right away. And I own a PS3.


Prepare for the OP to tell you that you are close minded and give you what opinion he wants. He is not interested in hearing about the game being on PS3 and not PC. Apparently he feels this is a non-issue.
Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#133 - 2012-10-06 14:10:25 UTC
Kinet wrote:
Gibbah wrote:
I just thought I would try Dust. Noticed it was not avaliable for PC. Dropped the thought right away. And I own a PS3.


Prepare for the OP to tell you that you are close minded and give you what opinion he wants. He is not interested in hearing about the game being on PS3 and not PC. Apparently he feels this is a non-issue.



No, i just want actual replys and was trying to start a discussion, instead you got butt hurt and decided it was best to just **** up the thread.
Senarrius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-10-06 14:17:38 UTC
Like others I would most certainly give Dust a go, if it was on the PC. The last console I owned was the PS2, and since then I've never had any urge to get a console.

I'm all for Dust integration, and I'd liked to have played it.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#135 - 2012-10-06 14:18:10 UTC
I like that rail rifle short clip.

I will not play it don't own console and will not do it for just one game...bigger reason is i rly don't get turn on on shooter more so arena shooter,only if Dust redefine genre i would do it but i think it is just as same as any with new boots over it and is designed to cater to folks that already have certain expectations...kids.

Hope it will work tho money was invested it shouldn't go down for the sake of CCP and us.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#136 - 2012-10-06 14:40:21 UTC
Senarrius wrote:
Like others I would most certainly give Dust a go, if it was on the PC. The last console I owned was the PS2, and since then I've never had any urge to get a console.

I'm all for Dust integration, and I'd liked to have played it.


I can understand that. My PS3 updates more often than my PC it seems.

Dust is truly at fault in one area ~ Power scaling. From new player to veteran is one heck of a leap in capabilities. A new player can sit there and shoot at a Veteran as much as he wants, (currently, Veteran is maybe 4-5 Million SP, and new player is ~500K SP), and get nowhere, where the Veteran can stand there and take it, then one shot you for laughs.

Kind of pathetic actually, and the only thing I really dislike about the game. Combined with various gear and the like and Veterans guarding control points, it makes new players completely incapable of progressing except by means of passive training, which is dreadfully slow.

Of course, that's not accounting for everything, and with decreases in the amount of rewards from actions expected in Release, as well as players being more distributed across planets and EVE in general expected as well, that might even out and make progression more likely through playing for everyone.

Numbers and distribution might be a problem initially though, and may perhaps be potentially game-breaking. It is possible that players will end up stuck in some new zones and some value zones, and no battles to be found outside of those areas. Then you'll just end up with Vet's making ISK, and popping into the new areas to pwn newbs for amusement.

I'm really not sure how it will go to be honest, but that first hurdle might be the last for a lot of players.
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Gunnar Lange
#137 - 2012-10-06 14:55:01 UTC
Your articles are nice but I was never interested in first person shooters, I'm interested in Eve because it's a very different sort of game. I'm sorry I have to pile with the others, but I wouldn't go out and buy a model of a console which is past its heyday only to play the beta of a game that is unfinished.

I'd say you're making me feel terribly poor Cry

As long as the the way it interacts with Eve is revealed with certainty, Dust takes place in the Dust world ; there are surely many ideas around about how the two would go together well but with things like ambulation, ring mining, revamping of POSes being in the pipeline for what appears to be forever, it looks much more sensible to devote oneself to what is really available.

If it really launches with a significant link to Eve it will also be only for Faction Warfare and frankly FW, with its world-encompassing isk-making connivance and pointless NPC empires, is the think associate with Eve the least.
Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#138 - 2012-10-06 16:26:06 UTC
Wow CCP making a console game based on 10yo tech...nice lololol

I could care less about the game, the only ppl it will bring are 7-16yo kids from CoD for about 6 months then they will all go back to CoD.

Why would you even make a console game when you are established as a Computer Online MMO???
Great thinking CCP, you have done it again :)
Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#139 - 2012-10-06 19:41:16 UTC
Gunnar Lange wrote:
Your articles are nice but I was never interested in first person shooters, I'm interested in Eve because it's a very different sort of game. I'm sorry I have to pile with the others, but I wouldn't go out and buy a model of a console which is past its heyday only to play the beta of a game that is unfinished.

I'd say you're making me feel terribly poor Cry

As long as the the way it interacts with Eve is revealed with certainty, Dust takes place in the Dust world ; there are surely many ideas around about how the two would go together well but with things like ambulation, ring mining, revamping of POSes being in the pipeline for what appears to be forever, it looks much more sensible to devote oneself to what is really available.

If it really launches with a significant link to Eve it will also be only for Faction Warfare and frankly FW, with its world-encompassing isk-making connivance and pointless NPC empires, is the think associate with Eve the least.


Thanks, this is exactly the sort of thing i want.

As for the poster above this one, a lot of the Dust community is 25+, there's very, very few console kiddies so far, that could obviously change though.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#140 - 2012-10-06 19:56:02 UTC
No one seems to realize you CAN use a KB/Mouse to play FPS's on the PS3.
I've seen it done

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