EVE General Discussion

Suicide ganking = 100% chance of sec loss and ship loss.

Mining not so much.

Also killing one BS rat won't get your sec status back up. Have you ever actually grinded sec before?

All the miners really gotta do is not mine ~2 jumps away from Jita.

We all "live" and play in a virtual world with constraints put in place by CCP, sandbox is a theme, a concept in which the game, this game is based upon. Just like a car, I can ride it however I want it to, but of course that doesn't mean I can disregard traffic or local authority and rules, much less the rules of physics. You can do anything you want in Eve as long as it's something both within the constraints made up by CCP (eg. EULA or other form of rules put in place) and the game mechanics itself; that is the base concept, the thing CCP advertised to their customers and the thing they (said) the game is all about. You're missing the context of what I and people were talking about.

Quite a lot of the ganking is done with disposable alts (at least in the past, i've recently returned to the game and as such, are a tad rusty on the various mechanics)... train a character for a week or two in the relevant skills, gank until his sec status gets too low, recycle the alt and make a new one...

Yes, i know that its "against CCP rules" (at least i think it is), but somehow i dont imagine that'll stop too many people..

But all that aside, on the spesific "barge can be ground back faster than standing", that rather depends on a lot of things, doesnt it ? If its a solo player, you can just forget about that. Even if he has an alt, i'd say its doubtful.

If he has 3+ characters that are dedicated to mining, then yes, it'll be a nuisance rather than a problem to mine back 250'ish million ISK. for new ship and fitting .

Look up what M0o did back in the day.

Gentlemen, we all have to live with that possibility every single day no matter which country you are from. Senseless or motivated it makes little difference, lethal or excessive violence happens in every city on Earth every single day.

Do you people even watch the news, or are you too busy playing EVE?

Now when you throw into the mix that in EVE:

A: There is a multi national law enforcement branch in this universe that serves as judge jury and executioner... and the punishment form most crimes is unavoidable instant death.

B: The more fortunate members of this society have the advantage of clone tech that makes them immune to death, but not to financial loss.

It's difficult to stop crime perpetrated by the elite as your primary form of punishment is ineffective against them, only financial loss has any noticeable effect.

The criminal elite know this, Concord knows this, and frankly so do the miners... especially since they fall into the same elite class that is immune to death.

There is no logical reason why if a miner fears financial loss they would not take simple precautions to guard himself from that... unless they are so simple minded as to sit back staring blankly at their mining lasers and ignore the realities of the society that surrounds them.

So you are selling them at five times below build cost?

I think this is a tactic that gankers were recently forced to learn from miners, another group who seem to want to profit from activating modules on things that don't shoot back - except at least gankers were willing to take a ship loss.

They don't last very long against CONCORD death ray either.

There you go. Yet another gank prevention technique. And we didn't even have to tell you how to do it.

So you're STILL claiming you were all being valiant and courageous by killing miners to help miners. Kinda sad really.

But, oh noes, wait, you're NOW convinced that because miners metagamed a change to stop the killing, they screwed up there own game.

So they transformed from what? Constant death/harassment AND pathetic prices to good prices and miner deaths down bigtime.

And that's BAD for miners? How so? baltec, seriously man, even IF prices drop, MinerMan still safer than ever before. Prices will simply be where they were originally so no change.


I think you guys need to fess up that you messed up.

1) You misunderstood how markets really work.
2) You misunderstood that metgaming is not the sole domain of a Goon.
3) You misunderstood CCP's reaction.

You were told, you were warned. You persisted. You lost.

HTFU and stop crying in your warm milk, it's embarrassing.

If miners can claim victory for the buff, then they should rejoice. If YOU are not comfortable with it, go gank ém again.

And hey, hey, before you get angry with me - ask WHY CCP made the buff... It'll go some-way towards understanding what you obviously never understood.