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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#341 - 2012-10-06 04:12:13 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
D-Mob wrote:
OP must be a Republican....dude what is it with you people and being obsessed with trying to FORCE everyone to live life the way YOU think they should live it??? Leave people the f**k alone man. EvE isn't just a PvP game. You're the only "carebear" I see in this thread dude. Go to Null/Low and fight other PvPers instead of whining because you can't go 2-shot a miner in High-sec; HE DOESN'T WANT TO PVP. You lay how you want let him play how he wants...

By your logic, you also want people to play the game the way you think they should.

I do want people in EVE to have fun.

But nope, they rather be miserable and silly. Oh well. Hey look, it's a freighter undocking with ~way~ too much stuff. ^___^


It seems I chose the wrong squad.

Please don't tell me you joined the "hauling too-much-stuff in highsec" squad.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#342 - 2012-10-06 05:17:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Please don't tell me you joined the "hauling too-much-stuff in highsec" squad.


No. We're all gay.

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Pipa Porto
#343 - 2012-10-06 05:27:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
D-Mob wrote:
OP must be a Republican....dude what is it with you people and being obsessed with trying to FORCE everyone to live life the way YOU think they should live it??? Leave people the f**k alone man. EvE isn't just a PvP game. You're the only "carebear" I see in this thread dude. Go to Null/Low and fight other PvPers instead of whining because you can't go 2-shot a miner in High-sec; HE DOESN'T WANT TO PVP. You lay how you want let him play how he wants...


If you don't want to PvP, EVE has a non-PVP server for you.

It's called SISI (Now Buckingham).


If you're on TQ, you have signed up for PvP. I don't see why you'd sign up for something you don't want to do.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#344 - 2012-10-06 07:12:12 UTC
D-Mob wrote:
OP must be a Republican....dude what is it with you people and being obsessed with trying to FORCE everyone to live life the way YOU think they should live it??? Leave people the f**k alone man. EvE isn't just a PvP game. You're the only "carebear" I see in this thread dude. Go to Null/Low and fight other PvPers instead of whining because you can't go 2-shot a miner in High-sec; HE DOESN'T WANT TO PVP. You lay how you want let him play how he wants...


  • Eve is a sandbox MMO, it is Eve's core concept and it's base game design.
  • Sandbox means everyone can do whatever they want.
  • Everyone can do whatever means you can do your own thing, build your own sandcastle or just hang around and do nothing.
  • The thing is, being able to do whatever we want also means anyone can also bug you around, kick your sandcastle or shove them in your face.
  • You are the one who's FORCING people to stop doing "whatever they want" not the OP.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#345 - 2012-10-06 07:37:03 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This is EVE. If you want fair PvP, then you chose to play the wrong game.


captain foivos wrote:
If a fight is fair, you've already lost.


And at the same time you guys complain about snipers in other games... Big smile
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#346 - 2012-10-06 07:47:12 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This is EVE. If you want fair PvP, then you chose to play the wrong game.


captain foivos wrote:
If a fight is fair, you've already lost.


And at the same time you guys complain about snipers in other games... Big smile


Do I now? Perhaps you could link some evidence of me complaining about snipers in these other games that I don't play.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#347 - 2012-10-06 08:13:16 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Touval Lysander wrote:



Even 100% of caldari ice is only equal to approx. 1/4 of ice available. I did say at a guess. Could be 50% for all the difference it made. It was a blip. The reaction however was far stronger. Bad luck Goons. Fail.

And did you mean the artifically induced speculative ice price or the aggregate market price which is governed by "normal" supply and demand? (There was a lot of futures trading on commodities wasn't there Goon?)



Most of the ice is mined in highsec and that "blip" lasted 8 months and showed no sign of going down untill the return of bot fleets at which point the price collapsed. Sipply and demand was keeping those prices high all on its own.

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But meh, as long as you guys are convinced that killing a few Macks/Hulks has a real, tangible and sustained effect on the price of ore, well, you keep thinking that. atm, I see prices higher than they have been for a long, long time. If they drop, and they can go a LONG, LONG way, other market forces come into play and the REAL value will be achieved REGARDLESS of the blips you try to inject.


for 8 years mineral andice prices were at junk levels. We come along and miners enjoy 8 months of prices three times higher than at any time in EVEs history. Then CCP cave in to the stupids out there who want to do away with the only risk they will ever face and guess what? Ice prices collapse and minerals halt their growth and start to go backwards. You slit your own neck.

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And NEVER forget the underlying RL demand (subs) - the reason for Eve's existence - needs to be maintained otherwise Eve's market and it's ability to manage itself is all for nought.
Subs were growing the entire time this was happening

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So Goon, *I* didn't cause anything. You did.


You only screwed over every miner out there to a greater degree than goons could ever have managed.
Pipa Porto
#348 - 2012-10-06 08:18:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This is EVE. If you want fair PvP, then you chose to play the wrong game.


captain foivos wrote:
If a fight is fair, you've already lost.


And at the same time you guys complain about snipers in other games... Big smile


Who's complaining about snipers now? As usual, quote and link or stop lying.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#349 - 2012-10-06 08:55:13 UTC
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#350 - 2012-10-06 09:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
baltec1 wrote:
You only screwed over every miner out there to a greater degree than goons could ever have managed.


Goons forced EHP buff and therefore return of "bots".

Why you kids need to bring risk to hisec?
Why you kids need to get paid for doing it?

Talking about entitlement...
Beat General
Doomheim
#351 - 2012-10-06 09:03:43 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
Risk/reward.

Ganking may have a risk with next expansion, it always had rewards. No buff needed.


downside is sec loss and ship loss.
derp.
Beat General
Doomheim
#352 - 2012-10-06 09:04:40 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
If a fight is fair, you've already lost.


If every fair fight you attempt = loss, then you really suck at eve.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#353 - 2012-10-06 09:04:41 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You only screwed over every miner out there to a greater degree than goons could ever have managed.


Goons forced EHP buff and therefore return of "bots".


Goons forced an update to barges. It was miners who demanded the EHP buff to the Mack and we narrowly avoided an EHP buff to the hulk too.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#354 - 2012-10-06 09:06:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You only screwed over every miner out there to a greater degree than goons could ever have managed.


Goons forced EHP buff and therefore return of "bots".


Goons forced an update to barges. It was miners who demanded the EHP buff to the Mack and we narrowly avoided an EHP buff to the hulk too.


If I remember correctly it was you gankers only who gave feedback from test server when changes were there. Why didn't you say anything about Mack if you wanted it to have lowest EHP?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#355 - 2012-10-06 09:09:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:


If I remember correctly it was you gankers only who gave feedback from test server when changes were there. Why didn't you say anything about Mack if you wanted it to have lowest EHP?


We did.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#356 - 2012-10-06 09:11:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We did.


No you didn't. Only thing you were interested was is it still profitable to gank tanked Hulks.

Beat General wrote:
sec loss


Can be grinded back to 0 or above in few days. And in next expansion with tags.

Beat General wrote:
ship loss


200k isk destroyer hull...
Beat General
Doomheim
#357 - 2012-10-06 09:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Beat General
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Can be grinded back


So can the stuff of the guy who got ganked.

Whats your point?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#358 - 2012-10-06 09:19:44 UTC
Beat General wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Can be grinded back


So can the stuff of the guy who got ganked.

Whats your point?


There's a difference between "kill BS rat and get enough money to buy Catalyst and mods" and "grind L4s for a week and buy new exhumer".
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#359 - 2012-10-06 09:20:49 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
There's a difference between "kill BS rat and get enough money to buy Catalyst and mods" and "grind L4s for a week and buy new exhumer".


yes, it's called 'risk vs reward'

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#360 - 2012-10-06 09:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Andski wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
There's a difference between "kill BS rat and get enough money to buy Catalyst and mods" and "grind L4s for a week and buy new exhumer".


yes, it's called 'risk vs reward'


Are you saying I have to take higher risk if I go and kill BS rat in 0.0 belt?

It takes about 4 volleys from Mega Pulses with Scorch to kill that BS rat. 17,2 seconds?

And don't even start how "dangerous" blue space is...