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Are you buying modules in low sec?

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Lambert Simnel
PWLS Enterprises
#21 - 2012-10-05 00:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lambert Simnel
Lord Ryan wrote:
If you didn't SB all your customers as soon as they undocked you might have sold more.

SB first ship, customer might by a second. SB second customer is probably telling his friends and going somewhere else to buy third ship.


To be honest I don't think piracy is what stops a true 'trade hub' being established in low sec. If it were true then ganking freighters in high sec would mean that no trade would travel through a 0.5 system. Yes there is a greater risk in low sec but there is little incentive to actually sell there in the first place.

In my opinion it is the ease at which goods purchased in high sec can be transported to low sec that make establishing 'trade hubs' there unviable. The prices and choice of Jita, Amarr, Rens and Dodoxie are only a few jumps away for most residents of low and no trader would have purchasing and logistical power to rival that. Why would I take the time, effort and risk to freight and sell 100 Drakes in Amamake when I could sell them in comparative 'safety' three jumps away in Rens?

The only way a low sec trader in Amamake could compete with Rens is by manufacturing locally and selling at equivalent prices. However, more profit could be made by producing 100 Drakes in Amamake and then selling them in Rens (because of the volume of sales). If CCP nerfed the jump freighter then there may be more emphasis on 'self reliance' in deep low sec but even this is imperfect.
Joneleth Rein
#22 - 2012-10-05 01:50:32 UTC
Honestly? Any Low-sec purchases were made only because of convenience and/or urgency. I needed something now and I couldn't be arsed to go buy it or there wasn't a freight trip coming soon. In fact most of our pilots piggy-backed their orders with some other pilot who so happened to visit a trade hub (freightpooling).

And it wasn't that there weren't enough volume and selection. With a close-by high-sec island market that was stocked by our indie pilots and still people (including me) would prefer to order online from Jita even if it was in the other side of the map. And we weren't something special logistics-wise. We had maybe like 3 jump freighters that moved 2 or 3 times per week which is really not something great. But it was more than enough for a couple hundred chars.

Also. Faction/deadspace modules e.t.c Some purchases are made with additional pimping wanted or required. Why buy something overpriced in low-sec when you'll have to visit jita anyway to buy the rest of the modules?

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#23 - 2012-10-05 07:55:06 UTC
I still buy stuff out of Domain low sec sometimes, Provi has a **** market for certain items.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#24 - 2012-10-05 08:11:57 UTC
I live in a very busy system in FW space and I supply a decent amount of mods and rigs for the local market. The local market consist of various militia corporations, local pirate gangs, and FW farmers who need to stock up. I also used to sell all major cruisers and destroyers that are often used in FW pvp plex fights.

Now despite the system being a rather busy area, sales are still relatively slow. But I just do it as a way to provide value to the local area.

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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-10-05 14:35:06 UTC
If you want to sell stuff in low and null, don't use the market. Use contracts. Sell in bulk, directly to the buyer. Big corps and alliances don't JF all that crap down into null because they enjoy it -- it's just easier than trying to build all the stuff in null, and cheaper than paying someone else to carry all the stuff in. (And even at that, Black Frog does a good business shipping stuff into the lawless areas of New Eden.)

This approach takes a lot of groundwork and communication, though. You have to know what the alliances need in terms of ships, modules, structures, ammo, etc. and in roughly what amounts. You have to offer them a price that makes you a profit while at the same time making it worthwhile for your customer to do business with you rather than doing the JF run themselves. This means that you have to sell in bulk -- profit per item is low, so you have to move a lot of stuff. And this is dangerous, as you might guess, because moving a lot of stuff through null in a JF runs a high risk of attack. You need combat support and intel on your routes.

You can build in high and contract out the transport to Black Frog, but I've found that that approach eats up a lot of your profit margin.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#26 - 2012-10-05 20:58:32 UTC
I exclusively spend my time in low sec.

I buy everything i need for a month from high and transport it in to low. that said there are hubs in low sec that have limite stocks of certain mods, ships and ammo that can be used and they are not at ridiculous prices.

Guy ahead of it said it the best. Planned purchase = high sec. Urgency = low sec.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-10-05 21:56:10 UTC
Please try to remain constructive when posting on these forums. Personal insults do nothing to enhance a discussion so if that is all you have to say, I suggest taking a walk outside instead - ISD Type40.

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-10-06 04:16:24 UTC
I live in low sec. I'd love to be able to buy locally there, and would happily pay more for you to take the risk on delivery. However, the nature of the game means that it's just as easy to train an alt to run into high sec and take the delivery risk on oneself- I already move about Low Sec without (much) fear and am more likely to survive with my stuff intact.

I can't really say there is a compelling reason to take the risk on anything but small, high value items you can transport in really fast aligning ships. I'm as likely to shoot you as buy your wares, and if you charge too much over high sec prices, everyone will just run an alt out there more than they already do.

Worth it? Mileage will vary greatly. Ammo, webs, scrams, ABs/MWDs- all stuff we put on pretty much every ship we fly. And we lose ships fast enough to keep you in business. I recommend SMALL sized items as frigs/destroyers are most common and die really fast- I often lose several frigs in an afternoon of hunting plex runners. Win some, lose some. But the indy guy wins no matter what.

It's just very likely you'll be shot with the same ammo you brought to sell. Forget massive hauls in indy ships. Think profit margin over volume.

High sec indy types may do well to form relationships with low sec dwellers that can take advantage of shorter research/copy/invention ques in dangerous space- or just move small loads around for you- if you want to deal with that sort. But criminals like me always need a friend in high sec, and low sec is our backyard...just saying, finding a low sec, even pirate corp to offer a business arrangement with is something too few high sec folk consider.

Lastly, it is much less dangerous to run an indy with a bunch of stabs and a hold full of ore into low sec, than it is to mine in low sec. If you want to live dangerously, simple ore is always going to sell just for criminals to be a little more self-sufficient- make ammo, etc.
Mishra Ninghor
The Scarlet Storm
#29 - 2012-10-06 07:16:46 UTC
Modules no, ammo on the other hand I often find myself wanting to buy locally. Especially when in lowsec.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-10-06 11:30:11 UTC
Stuff sells in low sec pretty well, usually random loot stocks but you do get some big marketers.

Thing is you can get away with putting 10% on top or something, if you are prepared to wait a little while, most people usually just fire sell their loot at just 1% above or below high sec prices.

FW low sec used to be a good area for trade, though now with factions locked out of the opposing factions stations, and therefore the battlefields moving around, its not as stable to bother stocking up. Pirate systems like amamake and such, those pirates tend run down what they need and run back loot, to high sec hubs and so not that great either.

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Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#31 - 2012-10-06 16:24:22 UTC
Aeril Malkyre wrote:
I guess Industry wasn't the crowd to ask, so I've reformulated the question for the Ships crew. You're free to read the overall context in the link, but for those that live and play in low security space:

Are you flying fitted ships into the area from a safe dock in high, or are you buying and selling modules and parts locally in low? Obviously it depends on where you're at, what the action's like, and whether you need replacements quick, but generally.


Well - I live in the Aurohunen system. It's near Jita HOWEVER I hate having to get people to ship in ships. I fly mostly T1 stuff - however the problem is larger vessels like Battleships. They can't be dumped in a regular old cloaky transport. I would have no problem paying you a slightly higher price for items if you could on occasion bring me some items on order. I send you a order, you ship in items and I get them via contract. Mutually beneficial for us both.

Hit me up in game - I order a few times a month normally.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-10-06 16:39:16 UTC
Truth be told, where things have moved quickly for me is having an alt restock modules in my corps station. Did we tend to lose a ton of Comets? Restock small rails and blasters!!! Drakefleets DIAF often? HMLs!!! Is it kinda crappy profiting like that off your own corp? Kinda. But if they don't wanna travel all that much, why should I NOT profit from it?

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Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-10-06 16:49:53 UTC
The "Real" lowsec profits aren't in selling **** anyhow. It's in buying it and shipping it back to high.
DerArt1st
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-10-08 13:57:32 UTC
I never buy stuff in lowsec because the next tradehub is like 5 min. away. CCP's warp to 0 shrinked the universe to such a small size that u don't have to fly several hours to get to the next tradehub so trading in "borderzones" died.
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