Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Tariff taxes.
A tax applied to cargo ships based on the market value of the goods paid when jumping into a new empire.

How about making POS modules anchoring to cost ISK? like when we assembly PI?

Payment for advertising. If you could pay to have links to websites, alliance propaganda and services on special billboards or on the CQ screen a lot of people would pay out for them. You could even have to bid for them so that adds in Jita would cost billions of ISK.

Right.. because Incursion haven't already been nerfed, missions are getting more effective and thus dangerous AIs and don't already have mediocre ISK/hr ratio compared to other thing, Nullsec doesn't really use thousand to generate their income, and Faction Warfare isn't even on the list because it generates more ISK per person in a day, than you can make with a Corp in a C6 Wormhole in 2 weeks.

This seems to be a good solution for the incoming ISK problem of the incursion, replacing the final site reward with LP. and also a good new way to introduce new stuff to the game with more relevance in the Concord LP Store.

This may also be applied to Missions reward or at lest the TIME bonus reward. this will also affect the ISK income.

But in this point, I think that CCP shuld put allot more love into LP store. most of items there are not worth and it is really messy to find anything in there... there shoud have sub-menus and more variety of nice stuff...

FW is isk neutral, why even bring it up?

So stockpile plex instead of ISK... its what I do - My ISK reserves are always low, its all tied up in ships (which generally increase in value with time), or PLEXes

As far as mining/industry vs missioning... the income from missioning is essentially fixed. As ISK inflates, "Income" stays stagnant, and "real income" drops. Meanwhile, inflation causes mineral and ship prices to rise, and a balance will naturally be reached.

Also, we should look at mineral/ice/moon goon sources and sinks. If the total amount of minerals (both raw, and in manufactured form, ie ships) increases, ideally you'd have a proportional increase in total ISK amount. Otherwise, your ISK gains real value just sitting in your wallet doing nothing - no sort of investment is encouraged.


Still, the ever increasing supply of ISK is not good (I could make some real world analogy, about how we have been conditioned to just accept that inflation is inevitable, but I'll resist for now).

One thing I've noticed when starting out a new toon - the NPC starter station manufacturing slots are all full - the poor noobs trying to manufacture something for a career agent must wait a long time for a slot to free up (or move to another system.

In general, manufacturing slots in high sec are too cheap (I'd give a special new toon discount) - I say jack up the ISK/hour cost of high sec manufacturing lines. - Perhaps even open them up to the market, and allow people to bid on the use of a maunfacturing slot - I'm pretty sure atm its cheaper to manufacture in a high sec station, than to manufacture from a POS (with all the fuel requirements, etc)


2nd: Refining fees - currently if you don't have 6.67 standings with a NPC corp that owns the refinery, they take a cut of the minerals... Less minerals = more isk per mineral = more inflation. I'd simply propose that they don't take a cut of the minerals, rather they take an ISK fee based on the estimated value of the refined material.

Then of course, you could add more sinks like the ability to "hire" NPCs in high sec space.

Also, I'm pretty sure the insurance system pays out far more than it takes in. If CCP can hire a "professional economist" (although I have a low opinion of most people in such professions, and that they can't even control inflation in a game says something...) - they could get an insurance guy to revamp the insurance system, such that the system takes in more money than it pays out.
There could be different policy types - perhaps one policy only covers your losses if you lose your ship in high sec - no payouts for low sec losses. If you loose many ships, your insurance premiums go up, etc.

An ISK sink that I think could be massive, would be to allow certain LP store items to be bought with just ISK an LP, with no tags.
- but have the ISK requirements be very high (this would of course, but a ceiling on the tag market)
Faction guns would be an excellent starting candidate

Also, we have NPC trade convoys already... imagine if you could pay ISK and get NPCs to move your stuff around from station to station - sure you can do it with contracts - but then you've got to put a lot of collateral to make sure they don't just steal the cargo you wanted shipped - and they if you have a high collateral, nobody accepts your contract, because they think you'll just gank them, and take the collateral + your cargo back. - so theres a massive trust issue (though I hear black frog can make it work).
NPC haulers would be trust worthy, and confidential - there'd be no publicall viewable contracts for people to know when a high value shipment was going out. They'd also take small jobs that most capsuleers won't find worth their time (ie, no, I'm not going to travel 30 jumps with a 500m3 cargo for 1 mill ISK)
Of course, there'd still be a risk, as players could still intercept the NPC convoys.
Traders would probably love being able to hire NPC interbus to make moderate sized shipments (lets say up to 3 bestower's worth) to bring goods to markets without actually having to travel there.
An "interbus service" available to capsuleers might be widely used, allowing players to get reliable supplies of ammon and basic modules away from trade hubs, and if widely used, could be a massive ISK sink.
-they wouldn't compete with freighters, but would compete with T1 industrials, they wouldn't operate in low sec - or maybe they would, but I assume a lot of cargo would be lost in such operations and people wouldnt risk moving anything of value with NPCs - I suppose they might try T1 ammo shipments thr....

I wonder that nobody has mentioned ratting. The highest 'ISK faucet' in the game at literally just less than 3 times what Wormholes bring in as the second highest generator of Income.

All this is moot anyhow. You're assuming that a society could exist without some form of natural or existing resource that could be harvested, and function entirely on buying and selling. Take away the ability to work for it, and what do you have?

That would be a bunch of people over charging for limited supply, and nothing for people to start off with. The real world continuously generates income from various sources that do not involve direct market trading except on the selling end and purchase of equipment and materials to make that income stream available.

Without that, the world wouldn't really function.

Also, we've already had, (and some pushed for it), the conversion of Drone Region and other Drones loot drops, (re-usable), to ISK injection through bounties.

Something to note.

I agree with increasing the NPC manufacturing costs, but I dont think opening them up to the market will do much. There are so many empty manufacturing slots in high sec its not even funny. Now ME/Copy slots you may be on to something, but the only places ive ever found all of the manufacturing slots filled is near jita or near the noob stations.


This is an absolutely fantastic idea! This would even scale properly with inflation . . . amazing. I approve of this product and or service.


The problem with this is that eve is not analogous to real life. Even though it makes good business sense, you shouldnt penalize someone for PvPing or being a pirate. To me, the entire insurance system is irreparably broken because you want people to go out there and lose ships and play the game.

In real life, people are risk averse because if they die, they die. People play games to escape this reality; you shouldnt penalize people for playing the game.

That and insurance companies can count on most people doing everything they can to avoid a car crash, they hire people dedicated to rooting out insurance fraud and people are required by law to have monthly insurance; the real insurance companies have all of these things going for them, and in eve the concord insurance company would have none of this going for them.