Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I fully support this, seriously!

+100

tbh I support removing cloakies from local and local from cloakies too- it would add some depth to the whole business instead.



Now I hope the people encouraging me to bring my suggestion here can at least like the thread or they can go to heck

Removing local (wtf not this again picard.jpg) would resolve this issue.

No one knows who is in system, not you, not the cloaker (who may or may not be there, AFK or otherwise) and they don't know you're there either. Win Win.

If you get hot dropped - then by definition it was not an AFK cloaker who did this to you. In fact, the AFK cloaker is very likely still AFK having missed the hot drop and your juicy kill mail because.......they were AFK.

Interesting fact. In the years of Eve online, no one has ever died to an AFK cloaker.

That's just absurd, don't you know they are one of the most potent hunters in New Eden? In fact, I've gotten so many kills just from not being at my keyboard while cloaked, that it's unbelievable.

Guys... stop trolling... you guys can understand preaty well that this is about that "Cloaked Covert Cyno ship with a player that have enough patience to w8 a week for an oportunity" can't you? The feature and Ideas Discussion is for people that want to discuss game issues, so I sugest that you read THIS before you keep ruining people effort....

It's too easy to troll ideas that are this bad. I fail to see how someone can feel so overly threatened by one person who is committed enough to remain cloaked watching you for a week in order to get a kill. The worst that can really happen with this one guy is he'll uncloak and point 1-2 players perhaps? If you aren't terribad you'll be either able to kill him or get most of your ships away before the world ends :p
How enough do you guys cope with a real threat? Like a enemy corp/alliance rolling in a massive blob fleet into your home system. Do you sit and dock up and complain about it, suggesting CCP insert a new feature into the game that makes them all stop picking on you?

No place in Eve should be safe, being safe is no fun for anyone - whether you be the hunter or the hunted.

I'm not against some form of counter to a cloak in its entirety if thought through properly. The comment by Panchatantra above is an example of this. Whilst it isn't the way I would like to see cloaking change it is slightly better than someone whining that a single ship is shutting down their alliance.

Personally I'd like to see cloaked ships not appear in local straight away.
For example, if you jump into a Null System with Sov - having Sov in this system will see that someone jumped in - they'll see the player and put them into local. However this player cloaks - after a few minutes the user disappears from local due to being cloaked. Say a player jumps in from a wormhole or logs in in space, they shouldn't immediately appear in local for null/low sec.

If something like the above was implemented, I'd be more than happy for nullbears to have some sort of mechanic that allows them to scan for a cloaky ship for confirmation that it is indeed there. Alternatively they can avoid scanning and be happy as they won't sit there thinking "omg there is an afk cloaker meaning my alliance can't undock"

As it stands at the moment you're getting free Intel on a person being in your system despite the fact you didn't see him come in. Think about it from the other side - how on earth is that fair?

Calling it a valuable activity is the same as saying you are guaranteed to win when you gamble.

It is not under your control, so there can be no such guarantee.

Now, if someone is cloaked in a system, says absolutely nothing for a long period of time, and stays cloaked... they can not cause any effect.

This is NOT to say people won't react to them.
But you must ask yourself, how are they reacting?

Are they forming a fleet, fitting a tank, and putting out bait ships?
If they do this, they can actually still continue PvE activities, albeit at a reduced pace since they won't be fitted for max yield ratting or mining. If they include teamwork in the form of PvP ships ratting as a group, they have taken control and the cloaked vessel is not performing a valuable activity.
(I specify ratting as a group, since that creates income and gives combat pilots something to do while the time goes by)

Hopefully your cloaked friend either leaves or takes the bait. You have not left them any other options, since you are prepared.

Are they retreating to a POS or outpost, and refusing to come out?
It's not the cloak. I am sure you can imagine a few ships with fittings that are hard to catch. Even without a cloak.
If a pilot is not seen in the system, are they even cloaked, or are they just running around between safe spots? What are they flying? It could be just a pod or a shuttle, but unless you find out it is always a covops with a cyno and a fleet waiting to jump in for them.

Fear of the unknown, in the second example, is a reaction.

Wouldn't you rather see your allies using that first example instead?

yes please

and to the 5 minute timer to ppl getting pushed out of station, let the hilarity begin

edit - also magic bumps out of POS fields

Superb idea. The most important part "And deny that cloaker local"
Only minor iteration on this idea:
this is done to AFK cloakers. so if pilot cloaked but manoeuvring, warping or doing other any actions (the same mechanics as break gate cloak) he is in local and has local himself.
If he if did not done any action in say 5min, he disappears from local and loose his local also.

Lets say cloaker in belt in hot drop position and been afk for a while. He is not in local. When ratter land in belt, he decides to hot drop, tackle or whatever.. as soon as he moves he appears in local - and now everybody knows he is active..

Your addidtion wont solve the AFK Cloaking issue. All an AFk cloaker has to do is leave his ship moving, or set a macro that changes his direction once every few mins. If he does that then he will continue to appear active. So once again we have an AFK person scaring a whole system of Zero-bears into statying docked up and crying to the forums.

My post (i wont say idea as it wasnt originaly mine), has all cloakers dropping off local.... completely cloaked.
Now an AFK person cant scare anyone because nobody knows he is there.

To balance that, I suggest that the cloaker has no access to local, he cant know who is in the system (appart from D-scan), he cant find people unless he runs to the belts, or drops probes. Dscan may tell him who is in space, but he isnt going to know who is in a station, for that he needs local. He could drop cloak and check, hope that nobody else is watching local....
This removes the reliance on local to tell you if you are safe in 0.0,

There are some concerns about the cloaker poping a cyno. I admit, I dont have any experience with cynos, so I can only offer a suggestion.... cool down delay after droping cloak before activating a cyno???? Somebody needs to step in and tell me my idea sucks, but if you do how about a suggestion of your own!

Fly safe,