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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-10-05 08:55:11 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Marcus Harikari wrote:
Tear Miner wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting.

What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one.



You know CCP made linkable kill reports, right?

Just sayin'.

how???



You don't know that?

Stick to playing the guitar.


I'm not even sure he really logs into this game. He seems generally clueless in each of his posts about the most basic stuff.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-10-05 09:05:35 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting.

What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one.




Tear harvesting is performed over LOCAL as they emorage about being ganked/can-flipped or whatever else your pvp-style is.
Posting 3rd party killmail info on a forum is not tear harvesting, it's epeen stroking (complete with added kleenex).



CCP provide you with a free non 3rd party killmail, that you can link over local or corp chat ..... why would you need anything else.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#23 - 2012-10-05 09:08:50 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:

CCP provide you with a free non 3rd party killmail, that you can link over local or corp chat ..... why would you need anything else.


Because then you can't stroke your epeen by linking your 3rd party KB to a 3rd party forum. Also you can look through recruitment section and see that many still think Eff. matters.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-10-05 09:11:24 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
why would you need anything else.

Intel, tracking progress/efficiency, and keeping historical records.
Just to name a few.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#25 - 2012-10-05 11:47:48 UTC
I've never been a fan of kill mails or kill boards, to me they encourage all the worst pvp behaviours.

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Ryhss
#26 - 2012-10-05 12:30:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all.

This

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#27 - 2012-10-05 12:47:00 UTC
If my kill history listed every kill rather than just the ones I had final blow on I'd be fine without killboards.
RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-10-05 14:19:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all.


Real alliances do, not 9,000+ man allaince who only lag out grid at every engagement, leave the "iwin" button at home and bring the fight to someone outside your guys titans bridge range, then come here and tell us nobody cares bout K/D ratios because that's total bollocks.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-10-05 16:49:23 UTC
K/D ratios are a bunch of crap anyway

When you can appear on multiple killmails but only 1 lossmail, unless you always fly solo, then you are going to have a positive ratio even if you are bad

(like me)

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2012-10-05 16:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Zagdul wrote:
The number one driving factor of EVE's success in PVP is tear harvesting.

What better way to harvest said tears than to be able to link an enemy a loss of a ship and laugh at them? Your sentiment won't be met with a large amount of people cheering as it's a bad one.



Well said.

It's generally a bad idea to talk about people's motivations, but this topic almost demands it. It would seem that the butt hurt about killmails mainly comes from people on the recieving end of some horrible killmails.

I never understood the minority of people who hate killmails, they are just a report of a kill loss, a record of an encounter.


Al;so the idea that more people will pvp if there are no kill mails. Anyone who won't pvp because there might be a record of it probably shouldn't be playing EVE in the 1st place.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-10-05 17:07:02 UTC
I are so elite I dun curr bout killmails

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2012-10-05 17:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I've had 5 vs 1 situations where I was the 1 and 4 of them ran off.

Why?


Because they could not be entirely sure they would not be the one loss in the engagement. They ran back to their POS to get a bigger ship.

Certainly I would lose, but feared I could concentrate all firepower on one, such that is the mentality: so concerned they are about their K/D ratio, they presumed that, since that's how they play, that's how I play too, so I would be interested in maintaining my K/D ratio by taking one out as I get killed.


But they want that K and no risk of a D - if they killed me, they were worried they might get a D with their K - and even THAT was not acceptable.

The end result: no PVP. They ran off, and I didn't stick around.


Pathetic.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-10-05 18:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
To clarify, caring about K/D and lossmails is dumb. Enjoying killmails is not.

Especially solo killmails.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-10-05 19:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Andski wrote:
Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all.


Real alliances do, not 9,000+ man allaince who only lag out grid at every engagement, leave the "iwin" button at home and bring the fight to someone outside your guys titans bridge range, then come here and tell us nobody cares bout K/D ratios because that's total bollocks.


You're correct, "real alliances" like -A- are highly concerned about keeping the killboard green. You, the NPC posting alt, are right as usual because you know everything about the game as you've experienced it all in the NPC corp.

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#35 - 2012-10-05 19:56:10 UTC
Andski wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Andski wrote:
Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all.


Real alliances do, not 9,000+ man allaince who only lag out grid at every engagement, leave the "iwin" button at home and bring the fight to someone outside your guys titans bridge range, then come here and tell us nobody cares bout K/D ratios because that's total bollocks.


You're correct, "real alliances" like -A- are highly concerned about keeping the killboard green. You, the NPC posting alt, are right as usual because you know everything about the game as you've experienced it all in the NPC corp.


Appeal to authority logical fallacy there buddy.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#36 - 2012-10-05 19:57:52 UTC
What corps need is a 75% K/D efficiency policy - No lower, and no higher than 75%. Check the ratio once a month.

That way the 90%+ pros can (and must) take out the scrubbier pilots on roams in order to reduce their personal ratios, while hoping to raise that of the scrubs.

Eventually everyone will learn to be good at pvp together, and then spend time dying horribly in a fire at the end of the month because it's fun.

:)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
ShiftyMcFly's Second Cousin
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-10-05 20:07:42 UTC
Ryhss wrote:
Andski wrote:
Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all.

This


Such blanket statements are nearly always self serving.

The chances that everyone feels the same about this is zero. The chances that 90-99% "vast majority" feel this way are higher, but probably not as high as you want people to think.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-10-05 20:36:07 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Andski wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Andski wrote:
Nobody cares about kill/death ratios and removing killmails wouldn't encourage more PvP at all.


Real alliances do, not 9,000+ man allaince who only lag out grid at every engagement, leave the "iwin" button at home and bring the fight to someone outside your guys titans bridge range, then come here and tell us nobody cares bout K/D ratios because that's total bollocks.


You're correct, "real alliances" like -A- are highly concerned about keeping the killboard green. You, the NPC posting alt, are right as usual because you know everything about the game as you've experienced it all in the NPC corp.


Appeal to authority logical fallacy there buddy.


Pray do tell where he did that.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#39 - 2012-10-05 22:08:24 UTC
Watch: this thread is going to degenerate into something that by itself will serve in favor of the argument to get rid of kill/loss mails and boards.

It's already starting.


While much is said about whether or not people who "get EvE" and should want the "carebear type" in this game, I can see another type we might benefit without.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-10-05 22:42:03 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Watch: this thread is going to degenerate into something that by itself will serve in favor of the argument to get rid of kill/loss mails and boards.

It's already starting.


You're too late, all started at page1 at first posts.

Leave nerds to their internet awesome existence faping on their kb while you have fun playing your own game, even if it's loosing ships.
Then little 12yo boy discussions to see who pisses furthest or has the bigger, leave them to little boys.

brb
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