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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#301 - 2012-10-05 18:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Rico Minali wrote:
Protip, the harsh cold universe isnt in hisec.

You're right. It’s everywhere.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
You should read the devblog again.

What does that have to do with what I said?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#302 - 2012-10-05 19:53:00 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
CCP buffed miners because they were unable to learn that

CCP buffed miners to eliminate cheap lol ganks and because goons declared open season, not just on hulks but on every barge in the EvE (even T1). . Its your own fault. "They should tank it" wouldnt work any more, because even "well tanked hulk" was shot down by 2-3 catalysts and still it was profitable.). If you would had kept hulkageddon on half-year or quarterly-year basics only, then nobody would notice..CCP buffed (fixed) barges by your own fault. Now you cry becasue of your actions... deal with it and learn.

Mallak:
Ganking exhumers with destroyers was only profitable because the victims made it profitable.

read post above....


No, they buffed them because... Read my signature.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#303 - 2012-10-05 19:56:58 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Are you saying that it's impossible to destroy Mack with two T2 fit Catalysts?

If majority uses Macks over Hulks then that only means majority of miners are solo miners.


If they tank then yes it is impossible to do it with two catalysts.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#304 - 2012-10-05 20:52:51 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Aaaah a risk free high-sec. Sounds nice. U mad ganking peasants?


Man are you in for a shock this winter.


Next expansion will bring PvP back to hisec.

Don't like fair PvP? Stop playing.


This is EVE. If you want fair PvP, then you chose to play the wrong game.

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captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#305 - 2012-10-05 21:09:42 UTC
If a fight is fair, you've already lost.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#306 - 2012-10-05 21:19:16 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
CCP buffed miners because they were unable to learn that

CCP buffed miners to eliminate cheap lol ganks and because goons declared open season, not just on hulks but on every barge in the EvE (even T1). . Its your own fault. "They should tank it" wouldnt work any more, because even "well tanked hulk" was shot down by 2-3 catalysts and still it was profitable.). If you would had kept hulkageddon on half-year or quarterly-year basics only, then nobody would notice..CCP buffed (fixed) barges by your own fault. Now you cry becasue of your actions... deal with it and learn.

Mallak:
Ganking exhumers with destroyers was only profitable because the victims made it profitable.

read post above....


No, they buffed them because... Read my signature.



Well which is it?
Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply?

The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players....Roll

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#307 - 2012-10-05 21:25:06 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
CCP buffed miners because they were unable to learn that

CCP buffed miners to eliminate cheap lol ganks and because goons declared open season, not just on hulks but on every barge in the EvE (even T1). . Its your own fault. "They should tank it" wouldnt work any more, because even "well tanked hulk" was shot down by 2-3 catalysts and still it was profitable.). If you would had kept hulkageddon on half-year or quarterly-year basics only, then nobody would notice..CCP buffed (fixed) barges by your own fault. Now you cry becasue of your actions... deal with it and learn.

Mallak:
Ganking exhumers with destroyers was only profitable because the victims made it profitable.

read post above....


No, they buffed them because... Read my signature.



Well which is it?
Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply?

The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players....Roll


So, gankers want the same thing miners have now. Roger.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#308 - 2012-10-05 21:30:59 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

Well which is it?
Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply?

The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players....Roll


They've been asked that 50 times already Bob. I think the question is too complex for them.

1) They were only ever able to gank in easymode.
2) Now it's hardmode they've gone all whiney.

Perhaps if they flood the forums with indignation and tears, CCP will change it for them.

Apparently, that's all you need to do. Twisted

(mind you, if the above is true, funny a Goon should whine that metagaming the forums was a bad thing to get what you want - they have taught us well...)


"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#309 - 2012-10-05 21:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Darth Gustav wrote:

So, gankers want the same thing miners have now. Roger.

No. Gankers don't need TANK.

They can optimize their combat vessel for maximum dps to garnish that profit.

oh lolz. see what i did there Shocked

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#310 - 2012-10-05 21:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Touval Lysander wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:

Well which is it?
Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply?

The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players....Roll


They've been asked that 50 times already Bob. I think the question is too complex for them.

1) They were only ever able to gank in easymode.
2) Now it's hardmode they've gone all whiney.

Perhaps if they flood the forums with indignation and tears, CCP will change it for them.

Apparently, that's all you need to do. Twisted

(mind you, if the above is true, funny a Goon should whine that metagaming the forums was a bad thing to get what you want - they have taught us well...)

See above post. Roll

How can human beings be so obtuse? Miners now have easy mode, berate gankers for needing easy mode.

Height of irony there.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#311 - 2012-10-05 21:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
CCP buffed miners because they were unable to learn that

CCP buffed miners to eliminate cheap lol ganks and because goons declared open season, not just on hulks but on every barge in the EvE (even T1). . Its your own fault. "They should tank it" wouldnt work any more, because even "well tanked hulk" was shot down by 2-3 catalysts and still it was profitable.). If you would had kept hulkageddon on half-year or quarterly-year basics only, then nobody would notice..CCP buffed (fixed) barges by your own fault. Now you cry becasue of your actions... deal with it and learn.

Mallak:
Ganking exhumers with destroyers was only profitable because the victims made it profitable.

read post above....


No, they buffed them because... Read my signature.



Well which is it?
Either they are too dumb to fit a tank, which is in your sig, or they are smart enough to fit a tank that you can't break cheaply?

The truth is, you want the game to play on easymode for you, and hardmode for the newer players....Roll



Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game. CCP took several steps backwards when they implemented this. I'm of the opinion that suicide ganking at it's base level should not be profitable, however the results should be left to the players choice of fitting.

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#312 - 2012-10-05 21:37:05 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game.

I'm calling this for the BS it is.

Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#313 - 2012-10-05 21:37:44 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:


1) They were only ever able to gank in easymode.
2) Now it's hardmode they've gone all whiney.



1) Miners provided the easy mode by fitting no tank.
2) Now its impossible to make a profit on Macks that have no tank fitted at all.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#314 - 2012-10-05 21:40:18 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game.

I'm calling this for the BS it is.

Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players.



This perfectly explains why we've pushed for many changes that would directly benefit other people, right?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#315 - 2012-10-05 21:41:28 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game.

I'm calling this for the BS it is.

Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players.


Ad Hominem against an entire alliance of players aren't less of a fallacy than Ad Hominem against one player.

Quite the contrary. Roll

Let's not debate our intention, since it's a game and our intention is fun.

Let's debate the empirical facts.

There are plenty of miners to sustain a moderate ganking population.

Those are the empirical facts. Don't like being prey? Welp...

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#316 - 2012-10-05 21:43:42 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game.

I'm calling this for the BS it is.

Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players.



Yet it was us that provided miners the best prices for ice they have ever seen while at the same time all but wiping out high sec mining bots. What have you done to help miners?
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#317 - 2012-10-05 21:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
baltec1 wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Not at all. I want the game to retain it's harsh qualities for all players of the game.

I'm calling this for the BS it is.

Goons DON'T CARE about OTHER players.



Yet it was us that provided miners the best prices for ice they have ever seen while at the same time all but wiping out high sec mining bots. What have you done to help miners?

Using an alt who shall remain nameless, I errr..... helped stirred up a lot of forum angst along with other miners that was, if you guys are correct, responsible for the changes to buff mining barges after the "great ice interdiction".

Kinda ironic isn't it Blink

EDIT - And stop rabbiting about "all but wiping out miner bots". You did not. Not even close. At a guess, 90% of icefields never saw a Goon.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#318 - 2012-10-05 21:50:27 UTC
I like how miners just keep acting like not getting ganked was never an option.

I mean they could literally mine aligned and be invulnerable by warping when anything landed on grid. The ore bay alone buffed the everloving hell out of this ability. Shocked

The EHP and the aggression changes taken on top of this just makes me wonder what miners think serves as a legitimate risk to their business models in high-sec now.

Answer: This is probably the nerf to high-sec the alleged "null zealots" are purported to have been seeking all along.

The overall result can only be a reduction in high-sec material prices. No other reasonable options exist.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#319 - 2012-10-05 21:58:56 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:

Using an alt who shall remain nameless, I errr..... helped stirred up a lot of forum angst along with other miners that was, if you guys are correct, responsible for the changes to buff mining barges after the "great ice interdiction".

Kinda ironic isn't it Blink

EDIT - And stop rabbiting about "all but wiping out miner bots". You did not. Not even close. At a guess, 90% of icefields never saw a Goon.


All ice belts in caldari space went from 100+ to 10 to 20.

As for your "help". Well done, you managed to wipe out 2/3s of the value of ice in a matter of weeks thanks to the fleets of bots now infesting high sec once again now that they are safe from ganks with minerals following suit.
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
#320 - 2012-10-05 22:03:33 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Update: CCP has once again shat on ganking in order to turn highsec into a risk-free carebear paradise.

Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.

Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people.


Only the native inhabitants from Mongolia should be separated from their belongings? Why? I can't grasp what do you have against a population who lives in such a harsh region of our beloved planet earth...

Kata