EVE General Discussion

Half a dozen Machariels?

I initially didn't pay very much attention to the Orca argument since that's not something I do or have ever done, however I don't quite get what you're complaining about.

The only difference with this new system is that you can't park your ship in an Orca when a fight goes south, same as you can't simply jump to another system. You're free to put your ship in the Orca and get another one to fight with as long as you don't aggress until after you do so. The idea is to get you to commit to a fight.
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This is part of the Weapons flag, which already disables your ability to jump or dock for 60 seconds after firing weapons.

This is, however, a mild nerf to T3 PVP, and will only serve to make people even more risk averse with them than they already are. Removing a level off a subsystem skill for getting a T3 blown up never made a whole lot of sense to begin with, but now that T3 pilot will always be faced with that possibility if they choose to engage in PVP, instead of having a possible escape (that also puts them at risk for having their ship stolen).


As for ganking freighters, Tippia's solution requires an additional ship just to make it almost as viable as before. I guarantee you we're going to see less freighter ganks because of Crimewatch.

Most of the ganks you'll see after this will have more to do with disrupting enemy supply lines and little to do with profit, which I suspect is CCP's motivation to begin with - Soundwave has certainly made his misguided intentions clear.

Well... I steal the deadspace loot from people in 4/10s when I get the chance. That will suddenly become a bit more interesting. Not only will everyone in hi sec be able to shoot me now, but I also can't count on the rats being on my side by simply letting the other player warp in first. So yes, the changes they are making will have an impact.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but you could still eject from your lame camping t3 if you drop aggression and wait 60 seconds for the W timer to expire?

No one is saying that ninjaing missioners is impossible or completely gone for good. But ask yourself this - how many times have you gotten to do it in say the last week and how much combat have you gotten out of it? The ship switching changes that they are imposing are going to make the task of acquiring aggro against a missioner and destorying them even more difficult then it already is. So ninja flipping is going to become even more irrelevant as a source of conflict then it is now.

As for can flipping - well the barge changes made reterivers the afk miner of choice and the mack the choice for everyone else. Because of the large ore hold - its rare as hell to see a can miner any more.

The great myth of eve is that it is an open world pvp game. This myth allows ccp to market the game as being for leet pvp'ers and eve's players to strut around saying we are more hardcore then you guys playing wow. The truth though is that eve has a giant safe area just like all the other games. In this area, empire, there is only a handful of ways to acquire aggro. Most of these ways involved consentual combat - with the only exception suiciding. Can flipping and ninja missioning have always been about getting the other guy to "agree" to combat (whether he wants to or not). But CCP has been making the opportunities for such activities less and less. So they can play with the aggro rules all they want - but its meaningless if you cant reasonably find opportunities for combat in the first place.

Edit:
Someone else in a blog noted as follows:
"I think you missed that can flipping actually just died, if I read that blog correctly."

"but we are adding one additional rule: If I can legally attack the owner of a container, then I can legally take from the container."

"That means that if you 'steal' ore back from somebody that stole your ore, you will not get any flags at all. As it is a LEGAL action (the flipper has the "S" flag so you can legally shoot him meaning you can also legally 'steal' from him). The way I read that, the flipper won't actually be allowed to shoot someone who stole his ore back as it is no longer considered stealing at all."

This is a good catch IMO. I guess now with the up coming changes if you are actually lucky enough to find someone can mining, you should now flip the ore and then blow up the can for good measure.

problem with you is not "i try to PVP in this PVP game" but "i want risk-free PVP in this PVP game".

because when I TRY to PVP i engage people who does PVP. And new CW makes it more interesting to me.

GOD it would be nice to just drop can on Dodixie undock with alt and take it with main just to watch whole area shooting at me Because... Because i don't worry about loosing fight. So should you "risk averse PVP gods"

Did you seriously just say a ganker ship could web the freighter looting the ganked freighter wreck? I don't even know what to say to that.

Not to mention the freighter looting is in more danger than a mere gank. Any Joe Schmo with a warp disrupter will be on that freighter in less time than it takes that webbed freighter to align.

Yes, your loot pickup freighter would have a small window of vulnerability, very small if you are doing it right.

Having your freighter at risk of being counter ganked is an amusing risk you'd need to accept.

Your situational awareness of the ships within disruption range would need to improve.

Fair enough, then. That assuages my concerns.

Yea I think this is point on. CCP wants it both ways - they like saying eve is a cold hard universe, but they want all those wow players - so they soften up the game while still marketing it as open world pvp.