Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wouldn't call flying a ship that cost me 2.5 billion and the potential loss (yes I know they are only lvl 1) of skill points lucky I'd call it deserved.

please review the reduction in flight times the base4 25% is fine on t1's as it still gives a possibility of it having longer thnge than guns however the tech 2 furry is way outta line base flight is same as base optimal for med turrets witch present a hugh prob as guns can fight in fall of if needed not to mention that in most catagorys of ships caldari are the slowest.

take minmitar for example there med t2 guns is roughly the same as fury hmls base flight time after all bonuses the optimal of there guns and fall off is gonna be over powerd to that of missles not only that minmitar in general have the fastest of all the ships i see problems here please adress this and stop the stupid debuffing to t2 furys another 25 - 35% on distance would be more than enough on t2 fury for anything a further 20% reduction should be more than sufficient however as distance was our only advantage and one we releaied on.

CCP Fonzie : Can CCP reimburse skillpoints to people who have trained missiles?
In a MMO like Eve balance does change from time to time and skills will not be reimbursed unless their use is being removed from the game

ccp gone mad telling people they aint gonna reimburse

As im not going to search thru the 200 pages on this thread can someone explain in short why different range missiles arent a good idea? Different flight times for different damage.

Becasue a major advantage of missiles is that they're effective accross their entire range envelope. Turrets require (too many really) different ammo types to cover different ranges.

this is a very good change for PvP, no question. on the other hand, I highly doubt that the HAM tengu will be viable in PvE (especially missions) after the change, unless someone can show me a build with ~70km reach and ~700dps after implants.
it's a pity, really.

T3 ships was a mistake to be released in their current form anyway - complaining about having imbalanced ships nerfed is a sign of subjectivity and lack of understanding when it comes to game balance. Basically you are selfish and doesn't care about others...

Bringing isk into it makes you look even worse - Yes, the isk SHOULD represent the theoretical power of a ship but just because you spent a fortune for a ship it doesn't mean you should be much better than cheaper ships... CCP even admitted (though it wasn't easy for them) that somehow these ships might need a small adjustment.

Hell yeah they do.
People dont even care about engaging people with T3 ships unless they got a numerical advantage.
Ofcourse people dont mind paying a few billion isk to fly them when they are so much better than any other choice for most tasks

Pinky

I just looked through the spreadsheet and only the Heavy missiles are getting velocity changes. Not sure if you figured that in or not.

On a separate note, this brings up the talk of Heavies now having more velocity than any other missile system.

New heavy velocity on all types:
4300 (3750 old)

Velocity on all types but rage versions of unguided and precision/t1 faction of Torps is now 3750, just like it was before.

I would call for the velocities accross all types to be normalized like before, buff velocity and nerf flight time to maintain ratios. In the case of torpedo's, I would just buff velocity to get more range for all types. 5-10km on each type would have the appropriate range growth. As it stands right now with these proposed changes HAMs and Torps retain the same range. HAMs do not need a range nerf. Again I go back to buff Torpedo's range via velocity.

Otherwise we run into a problem, and I see it happening during testing, that Heavy's, even with their nerfed range and damage will apply said damage faster than any missile type. The changed heavy numbers look good, though, and the damage projection looks to still be spot on for a medium weapon system.

below is the data strait from the spreadsheet.

first number is old, second number is new
Inferno Precision Heavy Missile 3750 4300
Inferno Fury Heavy Missile 3750 4300

Inferno Fury Cruise Missile 3750 3750
Inferno Precision Cruise Missile 3750 3750

Inferno Javelin Torpedo 2250 2250
Inferno Rage Torpedo 1250 1250

Inferno Javelin HAM 3375 3375
Inferno Rage HAM 1875 1875

Inferno Fury LM 3750 3750
Inferno Precision LM 3750 3750

Inferno Javelin Rocket 3375 3375
Inferno Rage Rocket 2250 1875

Damage increase ranges and explosion velocity / radius look pretty good, (Torp Rage seems to be a bit too high). Faction will be the better choice for everything over rage I think just because of the velocity nerf. Precision torp/HAM should be pretty good.

Google doc with spreedsheet from Fozzie (first page of this thread)

i think that new players will have to figure out you need to subtract 5% from your range in order to figure out your "true range"

It means "Less server load"