EVE General Discussion

Gankers didn't gank mining barges often before Goons made it profitable

Ganking mining barges was unprofitable long before Goons realized that ganking mining ships is good fun.

So, why start whining now?

You have same two options you gave us:
- Adapt (get friends...)
- Stop playing (unsub and cry)

In the real world if a solder kills another solder it is just war.

In the real world if an innocent civilian is killed it is murder.

Is the murderer free to just wander around the city killing anyone they want? No, at least no in a stable country with good law enforcement. They can do it, as long as they avoid getting caught, but once they get caught it is over. they are dead or in Jail.

You speak of being in a high crime area of a large city, perhaps a neighborhood where the police do not enter (low sec), or in a country amide civil uprising where crime is rampant and the only justice is what the locals choose to enforce themselves(null sec) Or even in the wilderness where you can do what ever you want and nobody will ever know.(W-space). But you did not mention being in a city in a stable country, where law enforcement keeps people safe.(high sec)

Go to any mining facility in any stable first world country. The ONLY risk those miners have is from potential accidents on the Job site. Sure a criminal can walk up and shoot any one of those miners in the face. But not without consequence, it just does not happen. Your analogy of a miner working a mine in a area under civil unrest fearing being shot for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a good one. But does not fit as a description of high sec.

A more fitting analogy would be comparing EVE to a large city like NEW YORK. The best parts of the city are very safe and well patrolled, very low crime. As you move into lower class neighborhoods police response times are a little slower, crime is a little higher, just as security rating in the systems of EVE drop as you get farther away from 1.0 security systems. Eventually you reach a neighborhood that the police do not even enter. In EVE this is when you pass into low sec. NULL sec would be the country under civil unrest with no stable government, zero law enforcement, and everyone fends for themselves. High sec will never be lawless space as NULL sec is.

In EVE the area's under civil unrest are not in high sec. High sec represents an area controlled by stable government, with good law enforcement, and protected citizens. So his analogy was far more applicable to high sec than yours.

CCP could go to the extreme in making high sec like safe city's in the real world with severe punishment for murderers. What if anyone killed by CONCORD got perma death. No respwan. No clones. That character is gone forever.

Not saying I want that, it would ruin the game. But that would be the only way to have a truly safe risk free high sec. I think it is fine the way it is. But asking for ganking to get a buff is just fail on every level. If you can not hold your own against ships that shoot back and need to resort to ganking for your PVP thrills, what ever, you fail, but to each his own.

However if you can not successfully gank and unarmed ship than you are nothing but a fail PVPer on every level. Ganking is not encouraged in any MMO, but it is done in every PVP MMO, as for many wannabee PVPers, it is the only way they can get kills.Some player who not only fail at PVP but also fail at life in general get there kicks from making other lives more miserable.

Ganker tears best tears

In Eve, however, it does just happen and anyone who's been playing more than 5 minutes knows this. Miners in possession of this knowledge who fail to act appropriately deserve everything they get from gankers. They don't deserve mummy CCP swooping in to save them from their own fail time after time.

and i didn't see any good reasons to have this broken mechanic in first place

What was broken? That players were (and still are) personally responsible for losing their ship to their own stupidity? That players can violence the ships of others in a game about doing violence to ships?

Man are you in for a shock this winter.

You call one hauler vs 2 thrashers, a cane and an osprey a fair fight? Because I don't which is going to make it all the more fun when my hauler kills them and anyone else willing to enage me

There is no gank nerf this winter but there is a huge pvp buff. Jita is going to be so much fun. Hell this is the perfect time for CCP to give the deep space transports a gun/missile slot.

Nothing wrong with fair PVP. Forcing PVP to be fair is wrong.

Protip, the harsh cold universe isnt in hisec.