EVE Fiction

This really requires a book of it's own.. Gonna take me a while to present this properly.. And I may not have it ALL perfectly in place, yet... The farther I go back in time, the more hazy the picture becomes.

But, here is my Tale of Two Races.. Two races who are represented in the Jovian structure called The Mirror, Terrans and Talocans. Ancient, symbiotic cultures whose origins stretch back to the Terran Solar System.

Terrans, humans that hail from a little blue planet called Earth, began to overpopulate their planet of birth, causing wars and genocides as the multicultural milieu that was humanity struggled to cope with it's burgeoning population. Finally, it turned to space exploration as the only recourse to it's salvation. Some time after space exploration began, these Terrans almost extinguished themselves in a blaze of bigotry and hatred.

Space is a hostile environment for humans. The race's initial exploration was done by automatons, mechanical explorers who mapped the star system it called home. The technology involved in the construction of these automatons advanced rapidly, and somewhere along the line they began to engineer these automatons into a likeness more pleasing to their prejudicial psychology. And so, the Talocan began to take shape as a race unto themsleves.

Meanwhile, the Terrans had finally begun to see themselves as a unified race. Discarding many of the old ideas of religious factionalization and appearance based prejudice, they became Terrans. They developed a unified idea of their place in the universe, a religion that encompassed many of the old factionalized ideas of mankind's destiny and providence. This idea of unity likely developed in what the Terrans considered their eastern hemisphere, on a huge continent they called the Middle Kingdom, which had it's capital in a huge metropolis they called Yanjing.

Philosophers and holy men taught all of humanity the Paths of Virtue and Vice, and the religion of an enigmatic creator they referred to as the Star Maker. This unified culture expanded rapidly to colonize the solar system, with Earth a ravished hulk due to all the old infighting, they crowned the planetary center of the system as a shining capital, a beacon of humanity and enlightenment they dubbed Soekheviti, the Pure Land, a relocated capital for the early Terran Hegemony.

By this time, the Terrans and their Talocan automatons were converging toward inevitable conflict. The Talocan were becoming advanced enough to surpass their creators on most levels. Given the integration likely, the Talocan were omnipresent in the Terran Hegemony, they became the servants of the Terrans on multiple levels, exploring new areas for colonization, teaching the Terran youth, nursemaiding those too young to care for themselves. Terran society was once more becoming decadent, thinking of the Talocan automatons as inferior, or fearing they might eclipse humanity and rise up as a threat to Terran supremacy in the Terran political sphere.

Schisms began to appear in the Unified Catholic Church of the Terrans, questioning the rights of the Talocan to exist. Some began to believe them an affront to the natural order layed down by the Star Maker. The Terrans began to institute limits into the free will of the Talocans. One group in particular, The Conformists, an earth based sect within the Unified Catholic Church, believed their particular brand of "faith" superior to all others. And so they moved on the planet of Soekheviti, an important sanctum of the Unified Catholic Church, and wrested control of it from the legitimate government.

One hundred and fourteen years earlier a joint effort between the Terrans and their Talocan creations developed warp technology, which accelerated the depletion of resources and the efforts of the Terrans to reach beyond their own solar system. Driven, no doubt, by a severe shortage of materials for the growth of their society, the Talocan were, once again, turned to exploration. Population had become a severe burden to the fruitful Terrans. Likely, they began experimenting into carbon based, biological machinery as a way to harness a renewable resource. One which could draw from the gas giants and the very star that gave them life.

The sciences had advanced steadily and these advances had been incorporated into every facet of Terran existence, including their Talocan creations, who became more and more like their creators. As particulars in human psychology pushed the Terrans ever closer to their creations.

The early Talocans set to exploring had several advantages over their younger brethren, longevity and strong free will, along with self replication ability (breeding), to aid in exploration and the engineering of the stargates that would become the backbone of Terran enterprise. But, the very core of their psychology was written to propogate the human species, which they all but epitomized. I should mention, at this point, that Talocan is probably a derogatory term of sorts.

The Conformists only control Soekheviti for fifty six years, as the early Talocan explorers would have begun completing the gates that would open the wormholes to new worlds. Gaining them a respite and probable rejustification amongst the Terrans. And leading to a rebuttal against the Conformist ideology and their poor treatment of the Talocans, who were regarded no better than slaves under Conformist rule.

The Conformists are driven off of the Terran Capital world, taking advanced starship technology present at the Europa Yards, located in orbit around the planet. The Conformists set out into space as nomadic friars, preaching to the colonial masses their words of hate and redemption. The Unified Catholic Church experiences a severe drop of reputation along with the Conformists. Humanity begins to dehumanize itself, once again.

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Thank you, my goal is to remain as consistant within the given lore\storyline as much as possible. While remaining vague enough to allow CCP to make changes without making a liar out of me..

I am pretty dead sure of some things and will attempt to prove them using as purely an ingame argument as I can muster.. And kudo's to CCP for keeping me stumped this long..

For example, the Talocan Extraction Silo. Something almost every station in New Eden has in similar form. A Recycling Center. The Talocan model is just mobile. And geared toward the design that their polyferrous technology requires. Which means it is based on Carbon and the many isotopes that can be derived from it.

They say that digging through someone's garbage can tell you more about someone than anything else. The police in most countries probably use the tactic to gather evidence. The Jove are arguably the best intelligence gatherers in the cluster. They've been digging through the garbage a long time. They recycle everything..



This is why there is a limited availability of evidence for our history.

I don't get your point.. How doesn't it fit? They WERE behind everyone else.. Are you arguing against that premise? What makes you suppose they were more advanced?

And the Yan Jung were everyone else, well, sort of. In my hypothesis only two races came into New Eden, humans and synthetic humans. Very hard to distinguish between the two before the Jove embarked on their centuries of eugenics programs..

Yan Jung technology excedes Talocan technology..

Everyone expects me to present a detailed argument for my hypothesis, which at this point is still evolving. Why should I accept your argument against, when you present absolutely NO evidence to support your disagreement, beyond it doesn't seem to fit your own hypothesis? Or your own take on where the disparity lies?

Really, Pottsey, I expect more from you.. As your own investigations have been instrumental in devising this, my hypothesis.. I would have been in no way where I am if not for the input of others, even the nay sayers who love to dump on me while ignoring their own precious scientific method and logical deduction.

Throughout, I have chosen to INCLUDE others in my investigation. I don't keep big secrets in the hopes that I become the mighty capsuleer who figures it all out. This is not an ego stroke for me. This is simply an enquiring mind in search of answers..

Do you disagree with my summation of the Ruins of Enclave Cohort 27? Osobnyk? Talocan Extraction Silo? If you have some of those answers, do tell.. There are structures in Anoikis which are no more than a few hundred years old, about the time the Jove up and left, for the last time. If they retook their old empire from the Enheduanni, where did the Enheduanni go? The Jovians were gathering genetic samples of charismatics? Why? Did they need leadership abilities to stage a revolt? Abilities that had been bred out of them..

This is simply more of the elitest BS that drove me away from AJ.. Start your own thread with an opposing hypothesis, we shall eventually see who was right.. Where they were right, and where they messed up. I have already expressed it is not PERFECT..

The hints I have seen come out of Templar One suggests they were inferior to the Yan Jungs.. At least in the Yan Jungs minds.. And I really haven't even presented my argument in detail yet.. It actually fits quite nicely, on many levels. Ye of little faith..

Oh, and no hate in any of the above, I am actually LMFAO... As the hate seems to flow freely in my direction when I get close to real answers and bits of the truth.. In short, I see nothing more in your post than TROLL.... Which saddens me more than anything else..

Sorry to come off so defensively, the Jovians likely began calling themselves Jovians because they evolved into humans on Soekheviti, which I place at Jupiter, where we have the hint of the Europa Yards. It was not because they thought of themselves as gods, but, because they didn't like the tags that humans had given them.

The Talocans, I think, were dropped by Yan Jung colony ships. Talocan Static Gates are represented in Sleeper technology, too.. Strange Energy Readings.. A simple evolution of their technology.. They have recievers, too.. And perhaps it was a technology that remained unique to their ships.. One noone else could use, or even knew about.. We also have hints the Talocan could use cloaking tech, early on.. After the collapse of the Eve Gate, the Talocans scrounged their Jovian technologies from the Yan Jung, just like the Rogue Drones at the Talocan Cosmos are less sophisticated than those at the Yan Jung sites, they are evolving.

The Talocan always had a strong grasp on mathmatics, due to the nature of their origin. They are hinted to have a unique gate technology, on that point I would have to disagree with you.

Talocan Static Gate;

Strange Energy Readings;

Look at the structures in the Arek'Jaalan Library, they display the same general appearance.. Why do the Sleeper structures move about? And how?

But, building anything takes lots of mundane, mindless labor, I am a carpenter, it is one area I do know well.. And their Elders became the Architects.. Civil Engineers was a better term from my perspective.. Are the road crews and garbage men the most advanced members of our society? No, but they are specialized.. Can I take a bunch of doctors and nurses, throw them into a field and expect them to build a very good road?

If your race was dying out, and you didn't want to go to your biotech home, where your parents are sure to smack you around, where wouuld you go? At least until you could figure out how to dislodge your parents and make the home your own..? Especially considering you could piggyback on technology as an infomorph.. Think on Dagon and the Sisters Arc. Think on the Rogue Drones attacking the Broker.. Think on Jamyl Sarum..

And my heartfelt gratitude to you for clarifying.. I apologize again for my prior angst..

Man, I'd love some links to that old stuff, I've never read any of it.. Nor even heard of it, until Borascus related some of it to me recently..

One thing I would clarify, though, is there is a massive retcon going on, so I must accept Talocan Technology over old forum posts..

There are untouchables as example in every society, including France (Gallente).. The trick, for me, has been distinguishing between literal and metaphorical iterations in the Eve lore, BOTH of which are abundantly displayed..

Why did the Jovians dislike the (true) Gallente and True Amarr? Why the higher regard for the Caldari and Minmatar? Why does the Deteis symbol look like the universal symbol for recycling? On a planet that was terraformed.. We're all human, we just have differing geneologies..

Ahh, haven't read it.. But, I would ask, is it information related to someone by a Jovian.? Or third person narrative giving background? I doubt they would be completely candid or honest with a true human. They have a history of being deceitful.. At best of padding the information to maintain an advantage.

I was more relating to the preferential treatment expressed in the lore.. At the start of the Gallente-Caldari struggles, the Jovians cut off relations with the Gallente and bestowed pod tech to the Caldari..

Even when they knew they were being manipulated by the Enheduanni, they intervened to help save the Minmatar Elders..

Many have said Templar One is inconsitant with lore, most everything I have found seems to corroborate lore. If it is truly inconsistant, the question begs... Why?

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The book pretty much said the Jove are dead and at one point Concord flat out said the Jove are dead in an internal private concord meeting (North Jove, not sleeper Jove). It was an AI of a Jove that transferred the info. Some of the info came from the Jove AI talking and some came from the Jove memory's that got transferred to the scientist. Although one could argue those memories might be false, I did not get the impression of false memories.

On the whole Templar one is consitant with the lore but I did notice a few spots which made me go WTF! I am sure one bit said people colonised and lived in New Eden 1000's of years before the Wormhole opened!

The main controversy being; Jovians are dead.

I'll just point at Dust 514's web page from here tho, the faction page: http://www.dust514.com/universe/factions/

I doubt that kind of factor would hit release and then be classed as wrong, CCP would want to protect the continuity in that respect.

Its the difference between Freemasons being large clubs, in the UK at least, with their own lodges and numbers like Lodge 1 in Hertfordshire or Lodge 147 in Warrington, and being the: omnipotent majestic 12..... thousand.... they are accredited with being for imaginative purposes.

Then again many guerilla forces go underground, or fight a faceless front, oftentimes in todays age people will state that no such thing exists and find out it does.


There is a chronicle called Taught Thoughts, in it Mr. Cromwell (a teacher) has age old traditional teachings... to educate the curriculum with.

The curriculum has changed, but the teacher emphasises historical records he knows to be true, but a student decides that he's had enough of the pedantic teacher and offers him to Mentas Blaque's anti-dissident movement.

The scene is set around Caldari History and the Rebellion of Cathura, during the Gallente-Caldari War, in a Gallente Class room.

The final paragraph and closing sentence is:



This categorically displays strategic information and the volatility of it.

I guess the main argument's for why there are antagonists representing the Jovian way of life and illustrating a female protagonist and a superior need go no further than to observe that the female character needs to be reminded of human sensitivity.

Although, I may be relying on the fact that logic is often emotionless, and arrogant leaders often fix a context in a way that only allows two variables before allowing a conclusion to form.

It is clear that both characters are written in quotation marks at the end though.

The motherships with room for billions of Jovians would surely not have run into yet more trouble, like a renegade Titan, and been forced into subjugation.