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WH Corp Policy for miners?
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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#21 - 2012-09-16 12:30:50 UTC
Aless Benetek wrote:

I am new, perhaps I will change my mind as well, but WH life, the few days I have been here, is extremely boring due to fact that most of the corp are EU TZ and I am pretty much in the WH alone alot of the times during the week.


The answer here is not mining.
It's finding a more fun corporation.

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Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-09-16 21:11:23 UTC
If they're regularly part of your normal fleets, no charge imo. It clears your grav sites within 3 days, keeping the systems clean, earns them a little cash that is relatively safe if they're paying attention, and keeps a presence in your wormhole.

The biggest thing you'll have issue with is ore storage, which can be mitigated by a Rorqual or an Orca.

If they're just miners, charge them a small fee per week to help cover fuel costs (say 10-15 mil per pilot). With a single large tower that should help cover a large portion of your fuel costs.

Svodola Darkfury.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-09-16 23:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sith1s Spectre
If you're planning on mining in a wormhole, make sure you do it properly.

Build or bring in a Rorqual or 2. And use nothing but hulks (with faction hardners as sleeper spawns hurt)

To save you making unnecessary trips offloading at the pos, have the rorqual sitting in the belt with you to take advange of it's massive space and compression abilities. Orcas are a poor man's rorqual

After providing your miners much needed, essential, equipment they should have no problem with you charging 10% of the ore value.

Cheers,

Sith

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#24 - 2012-09-17 13:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Backfyre
You have to figure out what makes sense for you.

For my corp, we have a 10% across the board tax. For miners in the WH, they can donate 10% of their ore, 10% of their sales or sell to the corp at Jita - 10%. We also collect 10% on all wormhole PI. All these taxes help support the towers. People who don't pay their share are booted from WH operations. You can "impound" a tax evader's ships through a variety of methods...

With mining operations, we tend to work on a weighted share basis. Scouts and combat pilots who sit and protect the miners get the same share as each miner. So, if you have 2 people watch WH in scouts, two people in combat ships on the field and 4 miners pulling ore, every pilot gets an equal share. We do reduce shares for second and third characters that one real person is running. We try to discourage solo mining as that usually ends up with the miner getting popped and podded by a roaming gang.
Rayge PVV
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-09-19 15:51:59 UTC
the way we do it is get a list of all miners and guards and then split the ore between us evenly. Then we add a share for 'pos fuel,' and the isk from that share goes into the fuel fund.

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Aless Benetek
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-10-01 18:18:45 UTC
Well, I think I now understand why old timers don't like mining in WHs.

Besides the crummy ISK vs effort (compared to sites, etc.), and the logistics hassles of storage/transporting/selling...


...
miners hurt a corp's Kill Board and encourage griefers...

After about two week's of solo mining, mostly AFK....guess what happened?

Yup, I lost my ship/pod.

Corp was pissed, got the old, "told you so," etc.


Two day's later, the other new corp member/miner lost his ship/pod...solo mining...and he wasn't afk.

Again, Corp pissed at us so we were told no more solo mining..period.

TLDR; I have moved my miner back to high sec, where I can afk mine and keep 100% of my ore, instead of giving it to the corp.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#27 - 2012-10-02 17:54:55 UTC
The only thing really worth the time to mine in w-space isn't even there in the first place.

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CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#28 - 2012-10-03 03:59:25 UTC
You want to mine? Just go to highsec, much safer and less hassle to deal with.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#29 - 2012-10-03 12:03:23 UTC
Why don't you just change corp .. really !!!
you married to the ceo ? it's your boss IRL ?

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Tiny Hoku
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-10-03 20:22:01 UTC
You should only mine to build stuff. I run 2 RR tengus in a C4 and make about 100m pr site (anoms) which is about 10-15min each. If I mine its only the ABC stuff which is compressed in an rorqual and then moved to HS and refined/sold. The Blue loot has so much more value and is so easy to move.

pop im dead. Beer and no D-scan.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-10-03 21:08:28 UTC
Tiny Hoku wrote:
You should only mine to build stuff. I run 2 RR tengus in a C4 and make about 100m pr site (anoms) which is about 10-15min each. If I mine its only the ABC stuff which is compressed in an rorqual and then moved to HS and refined/sold. The Blue loot has so much more value and is so easy to move.



Even that isn't all that great. If you mine in the WH to build stuff (especially in the WH) you have to either.

1. Refine at the POS. Lose 30% to the refine and it takes forever.
2. Haul ore out, refine, haul back in.
3. Compress, haul out, refine, haul back in.

Still better to just run a few more sites and buy the minerals you need.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#32 - 2012-10-03 22:01:45 UTC
Life in Wh is not about isk/hour like in high sec or null sec is about freedom

i prefer loosing 30% of ore and build my Ship by my own than grind like a F.. ********

matter of lifestyle

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-10-03 22:05:44 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
Life in Wh is not about isk/hour like in high sec or null sec is about freedom

i prefer loosing 30% of ore and build my Ship by my own than grind like a F.. ********

matter of lifestyle


I've never built anything but I agree with you, WH's are about teamwork and self sufficiency. Anytime you can cut out highsec is a good time imo
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-10-04 00:36:19 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
Life in Wh is not about isk/hour like in high sec or null sec is about freedom

i prefer loosing 30% of ore and build my Ship by my own than grind like a F.. ********

matter of lifestyle


Not saying it in terms of just isk/hr.

If you really enjoy mining then by all means.

For me though, I tried. I dusted off a couple barges after the updates and tried again.

Personally, for the amount of effort, I'd rather spend 30min running a few sites, make the same amount of isk, and the rest of the time doing whatever else I enjoy.
Aless Benetek
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-10-04 19:42:43 UTC
Agree that WHs are about freedom, self-sufficiency and isolation from Kspace but...

there are only two things I can think of that you can you can do solo and that is mining and PI.

Maybe there are other things one can do when alone in the WH?
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#36 - 2012-10-04 19:56:37 UTC
Aless Benetek wrote:
Agree that WHs are about freedom, self-sufficiency and isolation from Kspace but...

there are only two things I can think of that you can you can do solo and that is mining and PI.

Maybe there are other things one can do when alone in the WH?


Generally, WH is at least gang level content. Solo and WH don't really go together because of all the roaming PvPers. Just as miners get jumped in WH, so do people moving PI assets. From a "technical" perspective, you "can" solo sleepers, mine gas, mine rocks, run PI, do POS stuff (reactions, research,...) and PvP.

Of all those, the safest solo content in WH is PvP - you look for the people who solo mine rocks, solo mine gas, solo run sites and move their PI...
Aless Benetek
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-10-04 21:51:59 UTC
Backfyre wrote:


Generally, WH is at least gang level content. Solo and WH don't really go together because of all the roaming PvPers. Just as miners get jumped in WH, so do people moving PI assets. From a "technical" perspective, you "can" solo sleepers, mine gas, mine rocks, run PI, do POS stuff (reactions, research,...) and PvP.

Of all those, the safest solo content in WH is PvP - you look for the people who solo mine rocks, solo mine gas, solo run sites and move their PI...



Yup, you are correct.

I guess I should have caveated my comments with "C4" - obviously you can solo sites in C1-3 WHs...but you still need to watch for wandering PVPers.

If you have a single static WH entrance to your system, it is pretty easy to park a cloaked scout at the WH entrance, turn volume up to max, and listen for tell tale sound of WH activation indicating you have visitors. I didn't even do that while solo mining, heck I was afk most of the time, sleepers don't respawn, and most visitors I assumed don't scan down grav sites to visit...I was half right - this visitor was "special" ie. a griefer, had me on watch list, knew I was a miner, knew no one else from corp was on (even joined our pub channel), and have all sites scanned down ahead of time...ouch.

Too be honest, I personnaly didnt care, one or two trips to POS with full ore hold of Arkonor and I could easily pay for my 15M retriever. Now, I definitely learned my lesson about AFK mining with griefers camping your system. You need to have watchlist up and run to POS soon as one logs. Prob was losing ship provided old timers with "I told you so, you screwed up our kill board and are keeping the griefer in our system, etc." If griefer weren't in system AND we weren't prohibited by corp to solo mine (which mean no mining - who is gonna scout for a miner....pffft), I would still solo aFK mine, with understanding that occassionaly I would lose a cheap ship to a random WH explorer.

Now my miner is bak in High Sec, but the excitement isn't there :-(
Backfyre
Hohmann Transfer
#38 - 2012-10-05 12:42:09 UTC
With how high hisec mineral prices have become, you can do quite well mining in hisec. WH really are not about ore value as others have said. If you want to do "exciting" mining, try ninja mining in 0.0. Sounds like you may need to ponder what it is you want out of your game time and go from there.

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and most visitors I assumed don't scan down grav sites to visit

If a wandering PvP squad sees just one or two ships, especially an industrial, I'd say the chances are pretty good you will get a visit in the grav site. Somebody who is good with d-scan will get a 100% lock the first time you see their combat probes on scan. That means you have about 10 seconds to get into warp. That also means they have the site bookmarked and could easily wait for you to go back. PvP hunting is all about patience and the hunt.
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