EVE General Discussion

So if being flagged to the whole playerbase is now a "minimal risk," what do you call being flagged to the can owner's entire corporation, aka, the system we have now? Opinions like yours kill the game by empowering the developers to remove what's left of that "cold, harsh" aspect they like to highlight in their ads.

The "cold, harsh" aspect as you say is removed if everyone can attack you, but its there when only one corp can attack you.....

Anyway, new system looks fine to me. Keep it CCP.

So first you say there isn't a better solution, and then in the next sentence you give one that's exactly that? I'm not buying it, bro. It seems to me like you have plenty of options, but are choosing the one you're sticking with deliberately, and not out of necessity.

"Sorry guys, the code's too hard" is simply not an excuse. We've landed crap on mars, but you're trying to convince me that some of the best video game programmers in the world are unable to create a decent, modernized system that closely emulates one we've had for nearly a decade? You guys seriously expect us to believe that there's no possible way for you to code a new corporate flag for theft, or at least apply individual LEs to every single member of the "victim" corporation, when theft occurs?

I've put in over $5,000 into this game since I started playing. I have no interest in hearing you make excuses about how difficult your job is. Either be honest about what you're trying to accomplish here, or go hire some people who can properly do the job.

@CCP

give pirates something, ANYTHING, something that we can get that nobody else can, all we get at the moment is disadvantages.

we are players too.

Pretty sure we are referred to as "The Bad Guys". Because if you're trying to PVP in this PVP game you obviously deserve to be at every possible disadvantage for engaging in an undesirable activity.

^^^ THIS

Science, *****.


Yeah, I'm just madbro. I want to torture the carebears and now I am impeded.

Players: Why would you have people stealing from cans and wrecks globally flagged so that everyone can shoot at them? Doesn't that harm some of the gameplay we celebrate being able to do in this game? Freighter pilots for one are rejoicing because nobody's going to be able to loot their suicide ganked wreck, and so nobody's going to suicide gank them even if they haul 20b worth of **** to Jita every day.

CCP: GLOBAL FLAGS ARE SIMPLER. YOU SHOULD LIKE SIMPLE.

Players: Well we certainly don't mind things being made simpler, but at what cost? You can't just make it so that theives are flagged to the victim's corporation as before? That was balanced, whereas this is not.

CCP: BUT GLOBAL FLAGS ARE SIMPLER. YOU WILL LIKE SIMPLE.

Sure, if you can explain how to do that while at the same time removing the horrid spaghetti of player-to-player flagging and the many many many obscure cases and opaque conditions that characterise CW1.0

They're giving us a far better rule set.

Oh, come on EVE community HTFU.

Is this really it ? The end of the universe ? The end of EVE ? Because tricking a highsec-noob that didn't understand that EVE mechanics actually work way different as you would intuitively think into an almost effortless kill of his ship got marginally more difficult ? Seriously what do you think is going to happen ?

Scenario 1:
You steal from a can in a belt, there are several miners in the belt, and an Orca. Most of them don't care about you. If any of them do, you smile, warp to your Orca, get your Tornado out and blast them away. Can baiting miners just got way easier. Of course on the other hand it requires a direct decision from the miner to attack you and not some game mechanics trick. And that is sensible emergent gameplay and it's working perfectly fine.

Scenario 2:
You steal stuff in a mission, you get your suspect flag and everyone can shoot you, the mission runner shoots you and the old dance starts. But who do you think is in that deadspace pocket to make use of the new flag except for you and the mission runner ? Exactely, no one. If he gets people to help him, then most likely from his corp (so no change on this part). However you might expect him to scream in local like "wahhhhh I'm getting killed in my mission, join my fleet and help me wahhhhh", thus making things more interesting.
In most cases he will be dead by the time any support arrives, if you want you can pick off the brave saviors, one by one as they come in in their ridiculous highsec-pvp-failfits. You can even improve your meatgrinder by bringing one two friends in logis into the mission, or remote tracking, or whatever.
Who do you think is going to be more organized in the end, the gank squad, or the highsec wannabe-police ? (Remember, if you were out solo, you could still GTFO after you munched the initial target).
And after a few massacres, they will learn that it is not a good idea to come running when someone screams in local, so everything is back to normal.
We subsume: You might still get lots of PVP, however again you get it from enemies who make the conscious decision to attack you, they want to defend their highsec, they pay the consequences. Better emergent game, and no odd mechanic tricks.



I really like the new system, I think it makes things easier, but they are still myriads of ways in which this can unfold into dynamic encounters of all sorts.
And really it's nowhere near the end of the universe and CCPs downright reversal of all that cold harsh and holy in EVE to a Carebear-happy-fun-wunderland.



PS: And Is it that impossible to align a hauler to a safe and then to hit "loot all" and "warp" in quick succesion ?