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Amount of subscibers, EvE vs other mmo

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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#1 - 2012-10-04 19:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Hi all

While ago i wach some world championsship turnament in online game caled leauage of legends, and here was more than 80.000 views live that is more than average amount of people loged in eve, just a single room strem tv chanel with 80.000 people waching... but in total here is milions of views while turnament, because people can select own chanel with specific language depend country where they living.

The best part, this game is not even a mmo is just game where people fight 5vs5 in old boring map, using champions like pokemons or somthing like this.

Why others online games are so popular and EvE not What?Sad

So bigger is better ? maybe EvE offer to much large scale pvp ? maybe is to hardcore for mass ? maybe here solo and small pvp is dead ? maybe people love game with small amount of people involed to pvp than like 500vs500 with lag fest and zero fun, maybe is time to change this.

Sorry for my horrible grammar.

o7

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#2 - 2012-10-04 19:21:22 UTC
Blacksails wrote:
Clearly, Eve is dying.


Is not anoter EvE is dying post. im old player who play form 2006 ( more than 500 day online) and i adep to this fact. here is average 40k online, i wrote this post because want to know real reason why here only small amount of people compared to other online game...

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Jim Era
#3 - 2012-10-04 19:21:41 UTC
because its space, and space is more boring than anything


also

interstellar dix

Wat™
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#4 - 2012-10-04 19:24:28 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
because its space, and space is more boring than anything


also

interstellar dix


SF themes got big amount of all kind fans, StarWars, Battlestar galactica, Star Trek, etc... it must be another reason...

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Jim Era
#5 - 2012-10-04 19:26:08 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:


SF themes got big amount of all kind fans, StarWars, Battlestar galactica, Star Trek, etc... it must be another reason...



Everyone who likes those things are here, in EVE.

its not that many.
I've yet to meet anyone that enjoys one of those shows listed, including myself.

Wat™
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-10-04 19:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Because more people don't mean a better game. I would rather EVE keep its current sub numbers forever than double it by adding LoL players.

As to the "why": EVE is a niche game. It's not a game you can jump in for an evening, have some fun, and then just leave. It's not particularly fun to watch. Victories are not achieved through quick and flashy 20-minute match, they come through days, weeks, and months of strategically planned engagements. EVE caters specifically to "hardcore" gamers, generally with plenty of time to invest, and offers high-risk large group PvP experience with severe consequences. (And then I suppose the niche within a niche of various miners, "highsec players", solo PvP, and whoever else trying to convince themselves that the core principles of EVE should be compromised for their enjoyment.)
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-10-04 19:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Blacksails wrote:
Clearly, Eve is dying.


Is not anoter EvE is dying post. im old player who play form 2006 ( more than 500 day online) and i adep to this fact. here is average 40k online, i wrote this post because want to know real reason why here only small amount of people compared to other online game...


They primarily cater to different audiences. The more simple and casual friendly your game is the larger the potential playerbase it can attract. The most played games in the world aren't games you pay 50 dollars in a store or ones you subscribe to. They're relatively simple(easy to learn hard to master variety), but well made games, that are either free to play or cost a dollar or two to get. Add to that a competative gaming aspect, preferably with real money prizes, and you can attract and keep the hardcore gamers too.
Dirty Wizard
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-10-04 19:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Wizard
Tarvos Telesto wrote:

So bigger is better ? maybe EvE offer to much large scale pvp ? maybe is to hardcore for mass ? maybe here solo and small pvp is dead ? maybe people love game with small amount of people involed to pvp than like 500vs500 with lag fest and zero fun, maybe is time to change this.

Sorry for my horrible grammar.

o7
EvE is different than any other MMO or multiplayer game out there. It's a nitch game which means it's not for everyone. You would be surprised at how many people have actually tried this game. Only a handful stick around. It's difficult to tell if they can't handle a sandbox MMO and PvP with risk and consequences, or maybe CCP has failed to appeal to a wider audience. Either way it translates into a smaller playerbase than other MMOs.

I sincerely hope you're not comparing EvEs numbers against WoWs numbers. It's an unfair comparison. Leave WoW out of the equation and compare EvE to other MMOs. The population disparity isn't that much different.

Also keep in mind the skill point system in EvE is developer genius. Players have to invest real time to progress their character. That means players who have a lot of skill points are heavily invested in the game and are not likely to walk away from that. Unfortunately this also means new players can easily walk away from the game because their skill points are low.

(signature removed due to stupid)
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#9 - 2012-10-04 19:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Blacksails wrote:
Clearly, Eve is dying.


Is not anoter EvE is dying post. im old player who play form 2006 ( more than 500 day online) and i adep to this fact. here is average 40k online, i wrote this post because want to know real reason why here only small amount of people compared to other online game...


They primarily cater to different audiences. The more simple and casual friendly your game is the larger the potential playerbase it can attract. The most played games in the world aren't games you pay 50 dollars in a store or ones you subscribe to. They're relatively simple(easy to learn hard to master variety), but well made games, that are either free to play or cost a dollar or two to get. Add to that a competative gaming aspect, preferably with real money prizes, and you can attract and keep the hardcore gamers too.


You have right, however would be cool if we got very large amount of new people who give new impact to EvE, also more people more importand competition betwen players and economy , not like static 0.1isk war betwen few people who loged in jita 24/7.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Robert De'Arneth
#10 - 2012-10-04 19:47:15 UTC
Real simple the answer is young padawan, in order to play EVE, you have to learn how to play.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Spurty
#11 - 2012-10-04 19:58:49 UTC
LOL is rife with elves and unicorns

EVE is full of orcs and trolls

Unicorns attract, trolls repel




There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#12 - 2012-10-04 20:07:47 UTC
This game is hard for beginners.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#13 - 2012-10-04 20:09:35 UTC
We can't dress in colorful neon gowns and show off our meta 13 red flamey shield converter of loathing to other people in station.
... and we cant have a pink thorax with velvet trim.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#14 - 2012-10-04 20:13:17 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Hi all

While ago i wach some world championsship turnament in online game caled leauage of legends, and here was more than 80.000 views live that is more than average amount of people loged in eve, just a single room strem tv chanel with 80.000 people waching... but in total here is milions of views while turnament, because people can select own chanel with specific language depend country where they living.

The best part, this game is not even a mmo is just game where people fight 5vs5 in old boring map, using champions like pokemons or somthing like this.

Why others online games are so popular and EvE not What?Sad

So bigger is better ? maybe EvE offer to much large scale pvp ? maybe is to hardcore for mass ? maybe here solo and small pvp is dead ? maybe people love game with small amount of people involed to pvp than like 500vs500 with lag fest and zero fun, maybe is time to change this.

Sorry for my horrible grammar.

o7


League of legends is just warcraft 3. A blizzard game that has been out a decade.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-10-04 20:13:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
You have right, however would be cool if we got very large amount of new people who give new impact to EvE, also more people more importand competition betwen players and economy , not like static 0.1isk war betwen few people who loged in jita 24/7.


Yes, it would. But it requires a special rare kind of people to do so. Even if you were to throw a million of (insert other game) casual players into EVE, teach them everything there is to know, make them stick around, there is a good chance that only very few if any of them will actually ever make any impact on the universe.

Your traditional "run your dailies - grind XP - grind cash - grind gear - kill other dudes for fun" MMO player is not the kind of person that will ever change the universe in any significant manner. Most they can do is provide ambient traffic and/or targets.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-04 20:22:41 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
maybe here solo and small pvp is dead ? maybe people love game with small amount of people involed to pvp than like 500vs500 with lag fest and zero fun, maybe is time to change this.


I wanted to comment on this specifically. There are countless other games which focus on 1v1 or 5v5 or 10v10 or 20v20 or 30v30 or pick-your-number small to mid-scale combat. As far as I know EVE (and to some degree the upcoming Planetside 2) are the only games which can provide a true 500v500 match. This is what makes EVE unique, this is why many people play EVE - because simply no other game offers this experience.

(And just by definition, there are at least 1000 players who like a 500v500 fight!)

If EVE ever abandoned this particular feature in favor of catering to the "casual crowd", the core gamers and more importantly factions (corps, alliances...) would simply quit. This would leave EVE as being just another one of the dozens of traditional MMOs, and EVE played as a traditional MMO is really really terrible.
Arsia Elkin
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#17 - 2012-10-04 20:24:10 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:

League of legends is just warcraft 3. A blizzard game that has been out a decade.


League of Legends is just an easy version of DotA. A custom gametype in Warcraft 3.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin"

  • The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-10-04 20:37:48 UTC
I think the question is somewhat flawed to begin with.

The question you're asking is somewhat like asking between land and sea, which is a better platform to support life and arguing that the ocean is better because it has more life and therefore all land-dwelling creatures should move to the sea.

Some creatures swim, some walk, and some can do both. One has more numbers, more living mass, more complexity, larger average level of animal intelligence, and so on. This doesn't make one better. Land is simply the correct environment for a cat, and the water is the correct environment for a fish.

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Essack Leadae
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-10-04 20:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Essack Leadae
Why others online games are so popular and EvE not ?

In my opinion, two reasons. I will be considered as a troll but I don't care =) :

First, people hate lose. But since 2008, killboards become more important and so efficient that you don't have to post anything, your history will be updated by the others players anyways... This makes impossible to control your history and you can't opt-out. And as even if you don't care of your stats, others players will care of yours, then you can't avoid the consequences of bad statistics (mockeries, corps who will refuse you, etc.), it can impact your playstyle too and just simply, people don't like know how much they die. Killboards maintain the reputation of harsh and unforgiven game that Eve has, even if CCP did simplify the game.

Second, the skill system. For me, it is good as it is, but still it is different compared to others mmos : you don't level up by your effort. Here, you have to wait... weeks... months... and so the frustration also raise as you can't play like others players, you have to do with what you can use. And if you realize that you made some errors or need another character, then you have to wait, again...

Eve is not only a niche game, he is different. That means that few players will join this game instead of less annoying ones in the market, or sometimes they join but stay in empire and so annoy the "elite" who want force them to go to 0.0 =)

Removing obsolete signature... You just lost time to read that =)
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#20 - 2012-10-04 21:28:16 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
We can't dress in colorful neon gowns and show off our meta 13 red flamey shield converter of loathing to other people in station.
... and we cant have a pink thorax with velvet trim.

yet...

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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