EVE General Discussion

@ CCP

I'm curious. With the new changes coming, will it still be possible to eject from my T3 ship if I know I'm going to die? The blog mentioned that changing ships will not be allowed when PvP flagged, so I was wondering if that would apply to ejecting too. I'd like to keep my T3 skills.

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In order for Crimewatch to have purpose there must first be actual crimes for it to impact. What are these crimes? Well in highsec it would be can flipping and ninja salvaging/wreck flipping. CCP, however, has largely eliminated both of these activities from the game. Specifically, the Noctis basically rendered ninja salvaging/wreck flipping obsolete, while the recent barge changes have put can flippers out of business due to the large ore holds of the retriever and mack. So the question becomes, at this point why implement crimewatch at all? Its not needed in low sec where everyone can shot everyone else anyway. While in highsec, CCP has eliminated most points of Player to Player conflicts on a ship to ship basis. Sure there is still suiciding - but concord already takes care of that, and war decing -but that is outside of crimewatch, but every other point of conflict is gone or rendered so marginal as to be effectively the same thing. In fact, IMO the only place where you see the opportunity for crimewatch to have an impact is outside of hubs like jita where there are cans strewn left and right. But these cans are left around solely for the purpose of either gaining consensual fights or ganking newbes who dont know to leave them alone. Hence the implementation of crimewatch will have counter-intuitive effects - it will not add consequences to crime since crime has largely been eliminated through ship design but it will suppress consensual pvp (unless of course ccp adds a flagging system making this even more wow like ) while hurting new players who touch cans and suddenly find themselves aggro to everyone outside of jita.

Of course if crimewatch is to have meaning, ccp could make can mining and ninja salvaging viable again by nerfing ore holds and making it possible to tractor other people wrecks, but these changes would probably cause too much whining so its probably better if CCP simply scraps crimewatch before it causes a decrease in whatever little pvp highsec has left.

I'm rather worried by the change to can-related aggression. It means that if I so much as pick up a wreck from someone else's ill-advised attempt to kill a battleship with an Ibis, every single player in EVE, all of them, gets the ability to shoot me with no consequences, for 15 minutes.

And people will take advantage of that.

If we wanted to do that then we would've spent a month putting in code that stopped you from committing crimes in the first place, rather than a year overhauling the system that gives interesting consequences for committing crimes.

Suicide ganking = dead. Your haulers can't scoop the loot from freighters (or Macks) anymore w/o aggression.

You can't loot the wreck that you just suicide ganked now without being flagged.

Suicide ganking = dead. Your haulers can't scoop the loot from freighters (or Macks) anymore w/o aggression.

To answer CCP Greyscale's horrible rhetorical:



The reason you didn't just spend months removing PVP engagements entirely from high-sec instead of this sham we're getting is that you'd have been even less popular after that brief endeavor than you are currently for the results of your year's hard labor. That explanation is intuitively obvious to the informed forum reader. The results are almost exactly the same. You surely must be able to see this! That you would beg this response is...frustrating...to say the very least.

Hurry up with that dev blog, Greyscale, because we're relying on past experience on which to judge these changes--and our past experiences have been pretty bad.

Please forgive my ignorance, but if I understand this correctly, we will still have the same 'amount' of risk in High Sec, these changes simply shift 100% of that risk to the aggressor.