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Estimate of PoS fuel requirements

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Baphommet
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-17 13:00:52 UTC
Hello forums

I'd like to get a ROUGH ESTIMATE of fuel requirements for a Player operated starbase. Every time I ask this question in-game I get only links to POS calculators or ''dude it depends on many things''. I understand that. But here's the thing: I've never set up a pos, I have the list of required materials, and I have a few hundred million isk to invest, but I have no clue how expensive it would be to keep it running. So my request is simple: Roughly how much materials would i need for X amount of time to keep a Y sized POS running with a lab or two, an assembly array and a few defensive fixtures. I repeat : I don't need exact numbers, just an idea. Alternatively, you can tell me how much ISK it requires rather than fuel quantities.

Thank you.

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#2 - 2011-10-17 13:18:31 UTC
Depends on the prices for the fuel. assuming a small tower, probably on the order of 80-120 million.

Take a look at the POS manager in EveHQ. It can run the numbers for you.

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Nor Aken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-17 13:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nor Aken
all answers you got were correct
questions you need to ask yourself
what do i need it for
what kind of tower i need for this
then calculate fuel usage for this

to do this all, use one of the pos calculators
it's not a clear answer annybody can give you

i can say you 20m/ week and i could be correct
i can say you 50m/ week and i could be correct
i can say you 200m/ week and i could be correct

ps: two labs, manufacturing array and a couple defense things will probably bring you to a medium sized control tower
Baphommet
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-17 13:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Baphommet
Alright, I'll stop looking for answers here then.

(Diddnt I give enough information for an estimate???)

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2011-10-17 13:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
I'm using rounded numbers, so deal with it.

for fuel, you need

Isotopes -- 500 ISK/unit
Heavy water -- 12 ISK/unit
Ozone -- 230 ISK/Unit
Robotics -- 60k ISK/Unit
Oxygen -- 220 ISK/Unit
Uranium -- 9k ISK/Unit
Mechanical Parts -- 9k ISK/ Unit
Coolant -- 8k ISK/Unit
Charters -- 1k LP for 100 charters

Stront -- 510 ISK/Unit (NOTE, you only need this if hte tower is in RF mode)
Overall monthly cost ... that depends on the size of the tower, as it changes fuel needs.

Large Tower
324k Isotopes = 162 000 000 ISK
10800 Water (100% PG) = 1 296 000 ISK
10800 Ozone (100% CPU) = 24 840 000 ISK
720 Robotics = 43 200 000 ISK
18k Oxygen = 3 960 000 ISK
2880 Uranium = 25 920 000 ISK
3600 Mech Parts = 32 400 000 ISK
5760 Coolant = 46 080 000 ISK

total monthly cost = 339 696 000 ISK (less if you're not using 100% PG/CPU)

1 large tower = 2x Med or 4x Small. I'm sure you can figure the maths from here on...

add in another 100-150 million for stront, plus the outlay of your stick, labs, whatever.

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Chichkata
Legion Enterprises Inc
#6 - 2011-10-17 13:23:38 UTC
Caldari:
Large ~310M
Medium ~170M
Small ~ 110M

These are rough estimates from my last purchasing of fuels.
Basically Heavy Water is the fuel consumed for PW usage by the modules and Liquid Ozone for the CPU usage. Meaning that if you run out of either, structures will start to offline and if you have 0 CPU used (only guns for example) you need 0 L.Oz. The rest of the fuels (isotopes, uranium, robotics, etc) is consumed by the tower - if those run out, the whole tower goes offline, shields drop and you're fair game.
Baphommet
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-17 13:32:06 UTC
Fantastic. Thanks alot, as i've stated before, i only needed an idea of the price.

Good day kind sirs

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2011-10-17 13:36:20 UTC
Hi Baphommet,

The last time I had a look, the fuel costs for a standard (non-faction) large Starbase were around 440.000 ISK per hour. This might have changed though and it also depends on the isotopes the Starbase uses.

It shouldn't be too difficult to calculate the costs. The 'show info' shows for a pos also the fuel requirements per hour and from there you only need to fetch Jita prices (for example via Eve Central) to figure out the total costs.

Note that you need Strontium only for Reinforcement. Note also that you need the full amount of Ozone only when the CPU on your Starbase is fully utilized, same with Heavy Water and Powergrid.

Faction starbases use less fuel, require higher initial investment though.

There exist several good guides about Starbases, one you can find for example on the Evelopedia.


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Baphommet
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-10-17 13:39:11 UTC
A blue post? Now I'm just flattered. Thanks some more, I'll get around to calculations once I start organising my setup ^^
First i just needed an idea of the price range on those things.

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#10 - 2011-10-17 13:45:05 UTC
Prices as of this morning for 30 days:

Amarr: 123 / 198 / 348
Caldari: 130 / 213 / 378
Gallente: 165 / 281 / 514
Minmatar: 124 / 199 / 350

That's ISK (millions) per 30-days for the regular, non-faction towers, small/med/large sizes. It assumes that you run the tower at full-tilt (all PG/CPU in use). Faction towers would consume a bit less, but have a payback of about 2 years due to cost.

While goons are having an impact on Oxygen Isotopes (Gallente), there's a bit of market speculation going on for Nitrogen (Caldari). Amarr/Minmatar ice isotopes are fairly quiet still.

In addition to the Oxytope price spike, the PI-sourced fuels are also going up in price. Enriched Uranium used to be 6750 or so, now it's closer to 8200. Mech parts have gone up about the same amount as well. Robotics have gone from 45-48k up to 55k. Coolant is up a fair amount too due to the spike in Water prices. For a large tower, you'll currently need about 140M ISK/30d in PI-sourced fuels (which is included in the above figures).

You should always have at least a 30 day stockpile of fuel for towers (on top of what is in the tower) so that you can survive events like Jihad, Hulkageddons, the current Goon Shrugged event or a week or two where you don't have time to haul fuel from a market hub. Two to three months of buffer can be a smart investment as it gives you time to stock up when prices are low and ride out some of the rough patches.
Tek Enetheru
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-10-17 13:46:12 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:

...
Faction starbases use less fuel, require higher initial investment though.
...

Are faction towers bpcs still in loot tables? Looks like it is impossible to get them this days.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#12 - 2011-10-17 15:15:08 UTC
Open the information window on any tower.
Look at fuel requirements tab.
Multiply that by 24 and then by 30
you got yourself a monthly quote.

Medium tower is about 150m isk per month

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Souris Blanche
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-18 02:07:56 UTC
real easy way to get a pos fuel quote (and the fuel itself)...

send a in-game mail to Lady Patricia. She runs a POS Fuel delivery service in-game. Tell her you need a quote, and once you accept the quote she delivers 28 days worth of pos fuel every 28 days. This is what I did when I had a POS and it is, by far, the easiest way to get the right amount of fuel at the location where your POS is every month.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882525&page=1

The fuel she delivers does not include any Strontium (which isn't used up unless your pos gets attacked and put into reinforced mode) and doesn't include starbase charters (you can easily get these off the market or by running a few missions per month).
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2011-10-18 11:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Tek Enetheru wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:

...
Faction starbases use less fuel, require higher initial investment though.
...

Are faction towers bpcs still in loot tables? Looks like it is impossible to get them this days.
Nope.

Look for CCP Dropbear's post #204 in CCP: Why dont Faction tower BPC's drop anymore?
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#15 - 2011-10-18 20:17:06 UTC
Well, with the changes to PI that are coming down the pike, expect prices to jump a bit. Right now, PI-sourced fuel costs are in the range of:

Small: 69M
Medium: 92M
Large: 139M

(millions of ISK per 30 days)

So if fuel prices go up 50%, that's how much more your fuel bill is going to run each month (+70M for a large tower). If PI-sourced fuels double in price, you'll be paying an extra 140M/mo for a large tower.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#16 - 2011-10-19 13:41:46 UTC
Prices as of this morning for 30 days:

Amarr: 151 / 231 / 392
Caldari: 158 / 245 / 421
Gallente: 190 / 310 / 549
Minmatar: 174 / 276 / 482

I think a lot of that is speculation though and expect the prices to drop slightly by next week.