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Is there no CSM rep for high sec?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#101 - 2012-10-04 12:27:26 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
~2to5 out-of-goon alts ... well, will be hard to reach this numbers for anyone else.

Exactly and seeing as most of these are trade/cyno/gank alts which spent most of their time in Highsec your few leading the masses mantra starts to look a bit flawed.......

The masses of highsec NPC corp gank alts will show their power by voting ~~

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#102 - 2012-10-04 15:34:12 UTC
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.


Seriously, if you are rating the CSM representatives based on where you think they come from and for which sector of space they speak on behalf on, your logic is seriously flawed and you have not taken the time to actually read-up individual characteristics.
For the most part, these are a bunch of pretty intelligent people who know EVE. Their intention is never to "break" EVE, no matter what conspiracy theory you ascribe to.

For my part, I recommend you look-up and read Hans Jagerblitzen's blog. Just saying.

o7

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Josef Djugashvilis
#103 - 2012-10-04 15:58:42 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job. Smile


Anyone but you then james.

Hell, mittens would be able to represent hi-sec better than you and your weird single track obsession with miners.

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HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#104 - 2012-10-04 16:17:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
D'Om K'vash wrote:
more eve politics and that there is no representative for high sec. The 15minute aggression timer is a flawed mechanic and has no one to argue this point for the eve players who think so. It's only represented by the gankers. I'm saying that the richest players in eve are allowed to prey on the poorest and newest, and are allowed to set the rules without resistance.

Also "whats good for null and low is good for high sec" is a very funny statement and probably comes from a goon. The few should not be allowed to control the many and the weakest and poorest of eve players should have representation. Instead of being scoffed at when they make their points by the richest and oldest of the community who like a particular part of the game.

People that enjoy high sec and what it has to offer should be allowed to enjoy that part of the game and have representation to say what they would like changed.

Also you say nothing stops you.. well the problem is yah when the few in null sec have thousand man alliances and the isk to have 10 accounts so that they can throw infinite votes at their candidates. Then yah there is a barrier for newer less rich players to get into csm.


Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec.



I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts. Hi-sec is made up of majority of casual players that dont care about meta or forum trolls or politics. Good for them I say.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#105 - 2012-10-04 16:20:13 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec.
I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts.
Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2012-10-04 16:20:19 UTC
^lol
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-10-04 16:48:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec.
I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts.
Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same.

devswarm federation, of course.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#108 - 2012-10-04 18:39:36 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Tippia wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec.
I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts.
Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same.

devswarm federation, of course.

^___^

I can't wait to see someone with a DSF. corp tag

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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
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#109 - 2012-10-04 18:46:04 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job. Smile


Anyone but you then james.

Hell, mittens would be able to represent hi-sec better than you and your weird single track obsession with miners.

What's wrong with focusing and gaining expertise on one element of the game? EVE is all about specialization. Smile

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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#110 - 2012-10-04 19:00:38 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.



You just lost a freighter I assume?
Also nothing is stopping you from becoming CSM for highsec or for getting someone to become CSM for highsec.

Wait basically what do goons have to do with everything? Is that the best reason? if you look at the statistics you basically see more people live in highsec, SO if all those were to participate within the community and vote highsec CSM'S would Always make sure they get a seat as CSM all it requires is efforts but as seen with the tengu and drake nerf whining+Finding ways to defend yourself, you guys don't like putting effort into something.


I agree insofar as there is a CSM bias towards null, but I dont think its intentional. I would guess it has more to do with the fact that nulls care more in general and want to participate. I would also guess that people with null experience tend to seem more qualified and therefore get more votes. Also, as I have noticed with myself, if you go to null with the goal of experiencing it to broaden your knowledge then you see that it is simply better and more fun than highsec. At this point I see little value in packing up and going back to playing only in highsec. If I run for CSM then I would be running presumably as a null rep. I am still a carebear at heart though, and I dont go out of my way to make life hard for other players.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#111 - 2012-10-04 19:03:37 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job. Smile


Anyone but you then james.

Hell, mittens would be able to represent hi-sec better than you and your weird single track obsession with miners.


Agreed. Its like miners and carebears killed his parents or something.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#112 - 2012-10-04 20:37:08 UTC
This thread again? We made it clear last time:

EVE NEEDS JAMES 315 FOR CSM!!!

Doesn't matter if Eve wants him for CSM.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#113 - 2012-10-04 21:02:02 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

During the elections I was VERY vocal on the forums about this.

High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.

So my advice is to establish a high-sec candidate by whatever means necessary and try to get your fellow...erm...players to do likewise. Otherwise, no, there will never be a high-sec CSM representative due to vote-splitting.

My 2 ISK.
[EDIT]
Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway?

LOL
[/EDIT]


Here doing my job... :-)

Issler
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#114 - 2012-10-04 21:03:40 UTC
It looks to me like your constituency is in need, though I can't imagine of what. Roll

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#115 - 2012-10-04 21:12:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec.
I think the OP already stated how. Goons with its endless supply of ISK from moon goo and various other income allows one player to finance 10 or more alt accounts.
Ok, then they make up 10% of the population and the question remains the same.


Tipia do you really need me to do the math for you?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#116 - 2012-10-04 21:15:45 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
Tipia do you really need me to do the math for you?
I would very much like to see this maths that makes an invented 10% of the EVE population be more than the mythical 80% of the EVE population, yes.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#117 - 2012-10-05 00:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Issler Dainze wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

During the elections I was VERY vocal on the forums about this.

High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.

So my advice is to establish a high-sec candidate by whatever means necessary and try to get your fellow...erm...players to do likewise. Otherwise, no, there will never be a high-sec CSM representative due to vote-splitting.

My 2 ISK.
[EDIT]
Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway?

LOL
[/EDIT]


Here doing my job... :-)

Issler




THE SUPPOSED hi sec REP SAID 5 WORDS IN THE FORUMS \o/

5 more words & (s)he ties the number of words in the CSM minutes /o\

Well according to this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Issler+Dainze
every 2weeksyou do 4-5 posts so I shouldn't be that hard on the HI SEC REP...
HMMM your corp/alliance owns NULL SOV SPACE , huh? HI SEC REPPing at its best Roll
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2012-10-05 01:06:06 UTC
this is true, INK rents a wicked creek constellation from issler, she makes us pay her in raw jaspet which she then processes with her lvl 5 jaspet refining skills
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#119 - 2012-10-05 01:08:01 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
this is true, INK rents a wicked creek constellation from issler, she makes us pay her in raw jaspet which she then processes with her lvl 5 jaspet refining skills

Why am I reminded of the Countess from Diablo II?

Can anybody explain that?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#120 - 2012-10-05 02:26:46 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

During the elections I was VERY vocal on the forums about this.

High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.

So my advice is to establish a high-sec candidate by whatever means necessary and try to get your fellow...erm...players to do likewise. Otherwise, no, there will never be a high-sec CSM representative due to vote-splitting.

My 2 ISK.
[EDIT]
Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway?

LOL
[/EDIT]


Here doing my job... :-)

Issler




THE SUPPOSED hi sec REP SAID 5 WORDS IN THE FORUMS \o/

5 more words & (s)he ties the number of words in the CSM minutes /o\

Well according to this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Issler+Dainze
every 2weeksyou do 4-5 posts so I shouldn't be that hard on the HI SEC REP...
HMMM your corp/alliance owns NULL SOV SPACE , huh? HI SEC REPPing at its best Roll


I think your post count is wrong and I am pretty sure BEEP doesn't have SOV! If we do I need to get right out there!

Please go to Jita park where I've made it pretty clear what I think I was elected to do and why I think I've done everything I promised if I was elected.

Issler