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Official Protest - Mittani should be removed from CSM - *** UPDATED RESPONSE POSTED ***

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#521 - 2011-10-17 13:17:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vaffel Junior wrote:
Are you mittens alt ?
That's a new one. Usually, it's other people who are supposedly my alts.


I thought everyone in EVE was Chribba's alts?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#522 - 2011-10-17 13:17:39 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:


So are you saying that the CSM ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED? Are you? If you are, then how can the player base trust the CSM with any other affairs?



You don't trust other EVE Players (or alts...)
the CSM are EVE Players

Therefore, don't trust the CSM.

works fine for me, and I'll still vote for the one who most solidly shares my views. Or at least says they do at the time of the elections...

edit --> as with other eve players, I just expect them to stab me in the back at some point.


Here, I've put this in handy-dandy diagrammatic form, to aid in everyones comprehension of the situation:

http://i.imgur.com/FkQPS.png

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

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WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#523 - 2011-10-17 13:19:21 UTC

Quote:

CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.

[/quote]

How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people.
Look at this way..

If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will.

If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#524 - 2011-10-17 13:20:05 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
Here, I've put this in handy-dandy diagrammatic form, to aid in everyones comprehension of the situation:

http://i.imgur.com/FkQPS.png
I take issue with that illustration.

You're making it seem like EVE players are people.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#525 - 2011-10-17 13:20:26 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:

Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member..

People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer,

You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know... perhaps this thread can be locked now...

nail - coffin.....


I'm sorry, but you don't get to impose your arbitrary restrictions on the way I, or any other CSM, can play this game. I know that makes you want to cry and throw your toys around your room, but that is the way it is.

I am saying that any member of the CSM is just as likely to scam you as anyone else in EVE. That is the game. If you don't like it, the unsub button is right up there ^^.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#526 - 2011-10-17 13:21:58 UTC
Two step wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:

Wow, just wow, you really believe that stuff your saying? He doesnt have to make a big sign saying that - people know hes the chair.or part of the CSM, that goes for any CSM member..

People will AUTOMATICALLY trust him, I think the question has been asked, but no ones give an answer,

You are basically saying - the csm cannot be trusted.... i think thats all we need to know... perhaps this thread can be locked now...

nail - coffin.....


I'm sorry, but you don't get to impose your arbitrary restrictions on the way I, or any other CSM, can play this game. I know that makes you want to cry and throw your toys around your room, but that is the way it is.

I am saying that any member of the CSM is just as likely to scam you as anyone else in EVE. That is the game. If you don't like it, the unsub button is right up there ^^.


for me you have said all you need to say...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#527 - 2011-10-17 13:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
WhyTry1 wrote:
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people.
Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do.
Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people.
Quote:
If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct?
No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted — they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her).

In fact, I'd rather argue the opposite: the less you can trust their in-game characters, the more you can trust their out-of-game representation, because at least then you know that they are familiar enough with the game to pull that kind of scam, and that kind of knowledge is pretty a prerequisite for them to be a trusted with bringing the community's views in front of CCP.
Quote:
So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game.
By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#528 - 2011-10-17 13:24:30 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:

Quote:

CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.


How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people.
Look at this way..

If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will.

If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not


Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#529 - 2011-10-17 13:25:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people.
Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do.
Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people.
Quote:
If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct?
No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted — they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her).
Quote:
So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game.
By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person.



Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad?
Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down..
Vaffel Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#530 - 2011-10-17 13:25:52 UTC
I can not say that I trust CSM.........
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#531 - 2011-10-17 13:26:25 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
White Tree wrote:
Just Another Toon wrote:


They are corrupt...


Show me specifically where I have been 'corrupt'.


You mean except pushing agendas that benefit only the huge nullsec alliances, like removing all high end ore from WH-space?


Hey look at this guy - he's a liar!

He's deliberately distorting the facts in an attempt to mislead or injure. That's called lying

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#532 - 2011-10-17 13:26:26 UTC
Two step wrote:
What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game.


Interesting stuff right there.

Golem • CCP In-Game Event 2011.11.23 • Nyio • Grenade?
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#533 - 2011-10-17 13:26:27 UTC
Two step wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:

Quote:

CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.


How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people.
Look at this way..

If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will.

If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not


Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****.


This is the worse possible answer you could give, and your dont give a f*** attitude is all wrong. Please hand in your resignation...douche
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#534 - 2011-10-17 13:28:49 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Two step wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:

Quote:

CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.


How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people.
Look at this way..

If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will.

If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not


Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****.


This is the worse possible answer you could give, and your dont give a f*** attitude is all wrong. Please hand in your resignation...douche

Mr Random, you need to get a life. Now you are down to name calling. How big of you.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#535 - 2011-10-17 13:29:00 UTC
Two step wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:

Quote:

CSM6 can be trusted to do its job as the CSM and our track record so far basically proves this. If you want more beyond this role then you're asking for something we're not obliged to provide.


How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people.
Look at this way..

If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct? So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game. Your reputation to that person you scammed is ruined. They cant trust you and never will.

If your government pillaged your home, killed all your family, took all your goods and lifes work, would you then trust them to run the country? I think not


Again, you still aren't getting it. As a leader of my corporation, I have invaded the home wormholes of people that voted for me, blew up all their POSes and ships, and stole the mods that dropped. This is just fine, and those people still talk to me about CSM stuff. What you need to learn to do is separate CSM duties from playing the game. We still get to play the game, any way we want to. If you don't like that, I don't give a ****.



oh dear..You keep digging that grave...
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#536 - 2011-10-17 13:29:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
White Tree wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Ummm...is there a list somewhere in this thread of who among the CSM is the least / most trustworthy? Or do we all eat babies?
No we're all basically scum. We've actually been compared to the Reich several times completely casually. You stay classy EVE-O.
Look, we all know you guys made faustian deals to get on the CSM and that the amount of baby-eating you did is directly proportional to the number of votes you got.

So really, the only question is: which works best, HP sauce or ketchup?


I prefer Heinz 57 Steak Sauce, myself...But then, I'm just a "pubbie," so what do I know.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#537 - 2011-10-17 13:30:16 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Tippia wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
How can you be trusted to do your CSM Job? If you are scamming people.
Because the CSM have so far delivered on what the CSM is supposed to do.
Also, because there is zero indication that the CSM are scamming people.
Quote:
If you scam someone ingame, you are the looked upon as an untrustworthy person. They will see you personally as a person not to be trusted. Correct?
No. They will see that character as someone who can't be trusted — they have no clue wither the person behind it or not can be, because they don't know him (or her).
Quote:
So how can you expect people to trust you anymore whether its in or out of game.
By expecting them to be able to make the distinction between character and person.



Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad?
Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down..


Sir, are you a member of the Ministry of War in real life?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#538 - 2011-10-17 13:30:46 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming.
No. Just… no.

Scamming in a game where scamming is allowed, and even actively encouraged, does not make the person playing that game as a scammer a scammer in real life. Rather, it makes that person knowledgeable about the game, its mechanics, and its rules, and rather makes him a good candidate to discuss the game with its designers.

Just because I capture the whole board in Monopoly does not mean I own any hotels in real life, or that I will screw you out of your every last penny, or that I prefer to stay in jail for as long as possible to avoid paying money to other people… Instead, me doing all those things in monopoly simply means that I know how to play the game.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#539 - 2011-10-17 13:32:48 UTC
Just Another Toon wrote:
oh dear..You keep digging that grave...
Well sure — it needs to be quite deep to fit you inside, seeing as how you can't even answer these simple questions:

How is the CSM corrupt?
Where's the abuse?
How is it connected to their “positions of trust”?
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#540 - 2011-10-17 13:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: VaMei
WhyTry1 wrote:
Are you really stupid! If a person is character, they are still that person in real life scamming. Are you mad?
Go away jeez now your making me mad never mind the other people...get out, get out now...im going to get a coffee to calm down..


This in an MMORPG.
The player is free to RP a character with moral defects that will do things in game the player would never consider IRL.

VaMei generally follows my RL ethics. He's never attacked anyone that did not start the fight, and has never taken a dishonet isk from anyone in his 6 years of Eve. Some of my other characters are not so... scrupulous, but their personality does not reflect what anyone would ever see from me IRL.