EVE General Discussion

The idea that the Noctis stops ninja looting is ret@rded. It doesn't and it continues to this day.

What would stop ninja looting would be to prevent any ship not in fleet from warping into a mission room. I'm talking stricctly about Lvl 1-4 missions here.

CCP Greyscale: 'Hmm, what should the message be for preventing shooting other players...'

*types* "Concord has jammed your guns, you cannot fire on this hulk when in high security space."

Seems legit O_o

but seriously, I don't get how the faction police can jam a cloaking device while you are warping around high sec at 8 AU/second

"Attack if aggression"

...does this mean you fixed your own POS shooting at you when you have a fight outside the POS bubble?

Honestly, I dont know what you mean by this question - if you are talking about a station then its guns will shoot at somebody in highsec if they get gcc which is pointless in highsec as you get killed by concord anyway. If you are talking about a pos - well then it will shoot at somebody where the player is aggro to the corp (I think) - but i didnt understand crimewatch to be about pos mechanics - but lets say crimewatch is somehow related to pos mechanics - the true issue is how a person acquires aggro and there simply are very few opportunities to acquire aggro against another player without concord blowing up your ship. As it stands now there is: war decing, can flipinging, ninja wreck flipping, suiciding and awocking. Of these war dec and awocking are outside of crimewatch, suiciding results in a visit by concord and wreck and can flipping no longer exist since the opportunity to do them has been marginalized. So changing pos mechanics is kinda pointless since there is no really opportunity for a person to acquire aggro.

Of course if you are playing with the station guns - then crimewatch is really a change to low sec mechanics - which is not something that was ever mentioned in any of the crimewatch presentations as far as i know.

Also, when I said the devblog would be some time in the next week, I actually meant in about an hour but I didn't want to give the game away


[edit] For questions about what crimes we're tracking, see devblog.

Ok so I read the blog - and my initial opinion is that it is way more complicated then what we got already -- but maybe that is because I am familiar with the old stuff -- but none of it addresses the question of where are the opportunities to obtain aggro? Sure there is a section about taking from cans - but where are these cans anymore? And sure you've tinkered with war dec mechanics, docking rights etc. . ., but so what? How does changing the wardec mechanics, or for that matter, gate gun and pos mechanics and everything else deal with the issue of the diminishing role of the criminal?

As noted by Jester/Garth in his recent blog http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/10/know-what-you-dont-know.html there has been alot of hand-wringing about what changes crimewatch is actually going to make. However, truth be told its all an academic exercise at this point as other changes made by ccp in recent time have rendered Crimewatch pointless on arrival.

In order for Crimewatch to have purpose there must first be actual crimes for it to impact. What are these crimes? Well in highsec it would be can flipping and ninja salvaging/wreck flipping. CCP, however, has largely eliminated both of these activities from the game. Specifically, the Noctis basically rendered ninja salvaging/wreck flipping obsolete, while the recent barge changes have put can flippers out of business due to the large ore holds of the retriever and mack. So the question becomes, at this point why implement crimewatch at all? Its not needed in low sec where everyone can shot everyone else anyway. While in highsec, CCP has eliminated most points of Player to Player conflicts on a ship to ship basis. Sure there is still suiciding - but concord already takes care of that, and war decing -but that is outside of crimewatch, but every other point of conflict is gone or rendered so marginal as to be effectively the same thing. In fact, IMO the only place where you see the opportunity for crimewatch to have an impact is outside of hubs like jita where there are cans strewn left and right. But these cans are left around solely for the purpose of either gaining consensual fights or ganking newbes who dont know to leave them alone. Hence the implementation of crimewatch will have counter-intuitive effects - it will not add consequences to crime since crime has largely been eliminated through ship design but it will suppress consensual pvp (unless of course ccp adds a flagging system making this even more wow like ) while hurting new players who touch cans and suddenly find themselves aggro to everyone outside of jita.

Of course if crimewatch is to have meaning, ccp could make can mining and ninja salvaging viable again by nerfing ore holds and making it possible to tractor other people wrecks, but these changes would probably cause too much whining so its probably better if CCP simply scraps crimewatch before it causes a decrease in whatever little pvp highsec has left.

In order for Crimewatch to have purpose there must first be actual crimes for it to impact. What are these crimes? Well in highsec it would be can flipping and ninja salvaging/wreck flipping. CCP, however, has largely eliminated both of these activities from the game. Specifically, the Noctis basically rendered ninja salvaging/wreck flipping obsolete, while the recent barge changes have put can flippers out of business due to the large ore holds of the retriever and mack.

Edit - so Ive read it more closely, to become a "suspect" you have to steal from a players container or assist someone who has a suspect flag. How is this helpful when their are so few containers around to steal from?

2nd edit - and was yet another nerf to the orca actually required? All you had to do was change it so that the orca acquired aggro - instead you decided to lock people into the ship they are in - which will result in people not engaging in combat since they cant trade out to meet changing circumstances.