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Retribution's New Bounty System

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#261 - 2012-10-03 20:58:21 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oh look, another serious thread where every dev post is fluff.


wait, I'm not allowed to post unless it's serious? Sad

I'm mainly just grumbling, but generally if there's a thread discussing upcoming content and there are dev posts in the thread, I'm hoping that the dev posts are actively discussing the content changes, answering questions, that sort of thing.

But I'm just impatient, I guess. You're all people too. Maybe.


we're kind of just waiting to get the dev blog out, but I still wanted to take part in the discussion and "show" that I'm lurking.. or well not really lurking anymore

I'll be answering questions about the UI part of the bounty system as soon as we get some update on a test server. it's a promise!

Fair enough. You're still my favorite dev. :P


Indeed.

Anyone who's worked at a company with more than 3 people employed should know that j.random people can't speak in public about their work.

The devs are probably more annoyed over having to wait until their data is handled by marketing than the rest of us.

Hmm, I wonder if some of the more obnoxious posters are actually devs alts venting steam ...

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#262 - 2012-10-03 21:26:54 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oh look, another serious thread where every dev post is fluff.


wait, I'm not allowed to post unless it's serious? Sad

I'm mainly just grumbling, but generally if there's a thread discussing upcoming content and there are dev posts in the thread, I'm hoping that the dev posts are actively discussing the content changes, answering questions, that sort of thing.

But I'm just impatient, I guess. You're all people too. Maybe.


we're kind of just waiting to get the dev blog out, but I still wanted to take part in the discussion and "show" that I'm lurking.. or well not really lurking anymore

I'll be answering questions about the UI part of the bounty system as soon as we get some update on a test server. it's a promise!

Fair enough. You're still my favorite dev. :P


Indeed.

Anyone who's worked at a company with more than 3 people employed should know that j.random people can't speak in public about their work.

The devs are probably more annoyed over having to wait until their data is handled by marketing than the rest of us.

Hmm, I wonder if some of the more obnoxious posters are actually devs alts venting steam ...


Pipa and Poetic are my alts, everybody knows that!Blink

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#263 - 2012-10-03 21:29:26 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:

Pipa and Poetic are my alts, everybody knows that!Blink


Poetic I could guess, Pipa was more of a stretch ;)

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#264 - 2012-10-03 21:44:47 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Pipa and Poetic are my alts, everybody knows that!Blink

You are one troubled woman, then. :P

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#265 - 2012-10-03 21:53:04 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:


Pipa and Poetic are my alts, everybody knows that!Blink



You are a bad person!






(We need more like you)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#266 - 2012-10-03 21:54:35 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:

Pipa and Poetic are my alts, everybody knows that!Blink

Shocked

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#267 - 2012-10-03 21:54:38 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
did you see the team photo?

don't these faces say "trust us!"?



SO MUCH TRUST






brbr cancelling all my bank cards

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#268 - 2012-10-03 22:09:35 UTC
so i think i figured out how to exploit the new system... well maybe exploit.

from what i understand its simular to what FW does in its calculations..

but what happens if you put a bounty on someone who is in FW?

could there be a senario where the total payout from bounties and FW LP would = a greater amount then what the ship is worth...

if so CCP needs to make a work around this or else people will just join FW when they get a bounty on them and kill themselves with an alt in the opposing FW corp...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2012-10-03 22:30:17 UTC
Valari Nala Zena wrote:
Why pay out the bounty in one kill, why not just get payed depending on the ship your target was flying (minus a percentage).
The pilot with bounty should in no way be able to make money out of it, blowing himself up with alt + insurance & bounty.

For example:
Pilot A has a bounty of 500 mil.
Pilot B kills pilot A who was flying a Tengu.

Pilot B gets payed ~100 mil.
The bounty of Pilot A is now 400 mil.
Wow. What an excellent idea.

Next time, read the OP.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#270 - 2012-10-03 22:31:39 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

Next time, read the OP.


Hi there, I see you're new to these forums

Let me show you around

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#271 - 2012-10-03 22:34:52 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hi there, I see you're new to these forums

Let me show you around

I'm still wondering why I get labelled as obnoxious? Right alongside Pipa Porto.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#272 - 2012-10-03 23:58:26 UTC
I think somebody needs to tell Poetic Stanzeil she's a dev... lol! Big smile

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2012-10-04 00:01:07 UTC
Gogela wrote:
I think somebody needs to tell Poetic Stanzeil (sic) she's a dev... lol! Big smile
Speculating on some bit of information concerning the upcoming bounty system is obnoxious? Here I thought it was kinda fun.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#274 - 2012-10-04 00:02:43 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Gogela wrote:
I think somebody needs to tell Poetic Stanzeil (sic) she's a dev... lol! Big smile
Speculating on some bit of information concerning the upcoming bounty system is obnoxious? Here I thought it was kinda fun.

I don't get it. Did I get trolled? I would not have guessed you to be a dev.

Why do I always have to be such a nub...

Your blog is interesting to read at any rate.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#275 - 2012-10-04 11:46:18 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Gogela wrote:
I think somebody needs to tell Poetic Stanzeil (sic) she's a dev... lol! Big smile
Speculating on some bit of information concerning the upcoming bounty system is obnoxious? Here I thought it was kinda fun.

I don't get it. Did I get trolled? I would not have guessed you to be a dev.

Why do I always have to be such a nub...

Your blog is interesting to read at any rate.


I jokingly said in an earlier post here that Poetic was my alt. I thought my joke was pretty obvious Cool

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#276 - 2012-10-04 16:11:00 UTC
From the new devblog, earning a 'criminal' flag will generate a killright. I assume this replaces the current system.
Quote:
Performing an action against another player that gets you a Criminal flag will also award a kill-right to that person. This will happen regardless of whether or not the target ship was destroyed.

From the chart included in the blog, illegally attacking and blowing up a ship in lowsec will not generate a criminal flag, only a suspect flag. Attacking a pod illegally does create a killright. So just flying around low around murdering innocents won't hand out killrights to half of New Eden.

Am I reading this right?
Jayfire27
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#277 - 2012-10-04 20:14:33 UTC
I would assume that in low sec if you kill someone you still get a kill right its just in high sec if you get a criminal flag you get the kill right before the death of the enemy ship
CausticS0da
Shrubbery Acquisitions
Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance
#278 - 2012-10-04 22:41:02 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hi there, I see you're new to these forums

Let me show you around

I'm still wondering why I get labelled as obnoxious? Right alongside Pipa Porto.


Because you *are* both obnoxious. Pipa has made very little sense in this thread tbh.
Pipa Porto
#279 - 2012-10-05 04:34:11 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Really? How is the ganker not constrained by their guaranteed ship loss when the gank the miner?


The miner's friends ARE constrained. They can do nothing about it until the suicide ganker takes his 10-million-isk shot on a 100-million-isk ship. He decides when, where, and how **** is going down because he's already calculated the constants (including ship loss). The suicide gank will be on the ganker's terms.


Since that's not an answer to the question I posed, I'll try again:
How is the ganker not constrained by their guaranteed ship loss when the gank the miner?

Quote:
I've told you already. Learn who the bounty hunters are the same way miners must learn who's hunting them. Learn the ships that will most likely go after you the same way miners must do the same. And I've already told you what ships to look for but you refuse to acknowldege that as well.

The miners can use D-Scan to discover who's hunting them.

Blind Transferrable killright hunters are not in any way constrained in their ship choices like suicide gankers are. So you're suggesting "look out for all the ships" as a viable method for figuring out who's hunting you. I suggest "look out for packs of destroyers or T3 BCs" and you counter with "'look out for all the ships' is the same thing".

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#280 - 2012-10-05 04:36:52 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Name a current mechanic where you can kill someone in HS without consequence by surprise.

Again, you are NOT being attacked by surprise. You generated a killright. EXPECT retribution.

If you're so afraid of the boogyman you could always choose NOT to generate a killright. No one is forcing you to gank in hi sec.


I expect retribution. By the person I generated a killright from. Blind Transferrable killrights would gimp the original owner compared to the person who bought them.

By the same argument, Suicide Gank victims aren't attacked by surprise. They undocked in an untanked ship.

Anyway, name another mechanic by which you cannot find out who can legally shoot you in HS.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto