Warfare & Tactics

I accept cloakers as part of the game. Ofcourse you should be more carefull because someone can be just hotdropping you every second. Just let this game be an "activity" and not half of it not done in front of the screen. Yes a cloaker should make me more carefull and bring more risk to my activities, but let the cloaking also be an "activity". If someone wants to disrupt my system, let him.
But let him actively do it and not while he's at work asleep or drinking with his mates.

Because cloakers are guns in rooms?

You're just paranoid and too scared to take action when someone you don't know is in system and cloaked. They're hunting, you're cowering. If they are AFK, then they get to laugh at your expense, but can't do anything if you decide to poke your heads out of your hidey hole and do stuff.

If they're not AFK, you're either ready for them to bait them in, or you're not, and they get a kill.

This doesn't sound like the cloaker's fault, this just sounds like another "I'm scared!" whine thread....

What system is this, anyway? I might park my own cloaky ship out there to have fun as well!

If their sole intention is to stay cloaked, either move to a new system yourself or don't worry about them. You can counter them by not letting them impact your game play. In your scenario, it is your own avoidance of action that grants the cloaker power.

And we have suggested ways to combat them, be vigilent and team up. You have yet to say why this isn't a counter, but rather seem to ignore thus issue.

I'm sure folks don't want to move or let the cloaker be, they want a method to counter their presense.



Please, please enlighten me as to how vigilance and teaming up will combat a cloaked ship in a safe that doesn't wish to engage in any activity other than being cloaked in a safe? Feel free to offer up an alternative method to combat this situation.

Folks are still skipping over the fact that being cloaked up in a safe carries no risk yet there is evident reward, this shows a lack of balance in the risk vs reward paradigm.

It seems easy for folks to jump on the bandwagon of saying 'cry babies' and 'do something', but the reality of this situation is no-one (most likely) can offer a solution to combating a cloaked ship in a safe, if they could these kinds of threads would not exist.

For all the resistance on this subject, still nobody wishes to discuss the fact that the activity involves no risk yet yields a reward.

If this situation had a counter it would really be of no issue to the cloaked ship in question, surely they would just move to another safe like one does when ones in a non-cloaky ship and trying to avoid being engaged. People want to be active in nabbing cloaky ships, the trouble is they just don't have the toolset to do it.

Fly safe. o7

The afk cloakers actions generate no reward. Your reaction to him, your decision to let him alter your game play is what reduces your reward. It's like someone calling you names. Laugh it off, ignore the problem, and the name calling stops. Give in, cry, show the namecaller that they did effect you, the name calling will continue.

In other words, if they have no desire other than to stay cloaked, what threat are they? You counter them by going about your business. They waste their time, and you don't have to worry at all.

So really, since this a meta game action on the part of the AFK cloaker, the solution is a meta game action of not playing their game. Ignore them, they are no threat. if you show them that their action causes no impact, you've won. They can sit afk cloaked as long as they want, it won't matter.

Oh and a simple solution to afk cloakers, remove local. Treat local like in a wormhole, you won't even notice the afk cloaker so they won't impact your game play.

I think the major issue, that our RZR friend here has brought to my attention, is the difference in mindset between people here. Within RZR you have a very 'orthodox' concept of warfare based on standard fit ships that stand there and trade blows with an enemy fleet. This is specifically how a major player in the 0.0 game holds and maintains territory. You cannot win a war alone through irregular tactics. The same can be said about the OP who is a member of Legio, a southern coalition member. Their idea of warfare is one where you see the enemy, and he sees you, and you trade shots. Sort of a "ok we meet on the battlefield for set piece battles and have it out."

Along with this mindset, you have the more pve oriented members who just want to make their isk as risk free as possible.

Myself and a few others in Eve, like the option to be able to carry out and maintain clandestine operations and insurgent type tactics. We won't attack you on the battlefield, we'll hit you when you try to get there or come home. Because we are small, we have to use wit and mobility to cause damage. We don't have the luxury of having the major fleets, or the saftey of our local pos to run and hide to.

In this case the question becomes, which sort of game do we want Eve to be? One where only one of these play styles is possible, or one where we have the option to do both? I think once we all look at this matter objectivly and know that we all want MORE options of how to play this game, not less, we can all agree that said OP and those who follow his mindset, need to get over it and just deal with it. Things are going to happen to you in Eve which you will not like. Play to your strengths, as I play to my own. You can't do everything, just do what you can do well.

I'll continue to be the haiduc in the mountains, the chetnik in the forest, the VC in the tunnels, the U boat under your ship. Those who don't adapt, and realize that more options for the game is good even if it threatens them, can play "EvE Online: Forums" and be a "winner" there.

I don't think I need to convince you or anyone else there is a reward, its a fact that there is a reward at the Corp, Alliance or Coalition level. The activity has a social (demoralizing) and economic impact, lets say any isk making activities which in turn are used to fund players pvp ships ...so less ships to fly, maybe we can throw in some further demoralization. Personally I find it hard to believe folks think there is no strategic reward.

So, we have the reward but wheres the risk? If this activity yielded no reward it would not be undertaken but alas it is and its a very risk aversed activity.



I don't think anyones looking to affect your choice of game play, maybe because you are actively taking part and what you do has risk.

Fly safe. o7

PS. If I could find the damn cloakers I would and I'd die trying.

Dear players of known space...


I see the magnitude of your sorrow...


...and after a carefull evaluation of the problem you seem to have with afk cloakers...


...I would like to invite you to try the life in unknown-space....


We don't have that problem


Best regards

Which of course is very different from null, as is null very different from lowsec and lowsec different from hisec. Each carry a level of risk living in these environments. I don't think any of the zones can be directly compared to each other. But I'd agree nullers would do well to adopt some of the attitudes of WH'ers about cloakers.

It has to be said though that the strategic window for a cloaker is a lot shorter being that WH entrances only last for 72 hours and as such the issue is probably less commonplace in a WH, thats not to say it doesn't exist thought.

Fly safe. o7

Yes it is different. As a cloaker, all you need to hide and be afk is a cloak. Few million worth investment. As a station AFKer you need sov space, station, docking right etc. Lot of ISK and politics to be able to do that. So no, I don't see any reason why you as an enemy in enemy territory should have this ability for free.

And as Stigman said. You can camp station entrance. You cant camp cloaked ship.



Again wrong. He can strike anytime. So it doesnt matter if he is afk 5 minutes or 10 hours. You have to be prepade all the time. Otherwise its just easy kill for cloaky as he can pick targets. How else you want players to defend against enemy you can't find.


Works well unless cloaky is cyno pilot ready to gang you in no time. Or by escort you mean whole fleet of pilots ready to deal with cov-ops? Hot drops are still more and more popular. But in most cases I agree, escort is enough to fight cloaky players. But escort will not change the fact, that you and your friends have to be prepared all the time for the attack.



Bulll ****. It is not the same. They are in game and it cost them a lot of time to use those tricks.



Ofc he would do that. System with station is not about solo pvp and most of those null sec players know it.. Sov warfare always was and will be about group pvp. I have a feeling that all you want is easy kill and you will use any idea to justify it.