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The reality of the goon freighter ganking in Uedema and neighboring systems.

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#521 - 2012-10-01 18:04:22 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide.


Sounds like you're talking out of your ass.

Bumping sadly, is a perfectly viable game mechanic, and will remain so- as what GM wants to deal with that floodgate of reimbursement requests should they change it. Furthermore, freighting much like anything else that happens in High Sec, isn't as safe as you bleating idiots want to pretend it is, stop crying.
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#522 - 2012-10-01 18:26:22 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide.


Sounds like you're talking out of your ass.

Bumping sadly, is a perfectly viable game mechanic, and will remain so- as what GM wants to deal with that floodgate of reimbursement requests should they change it. Furthermore, freighting much like anything else that happens in High Sec, isn't as safe as you bleating idiots want to pretend it is, stop crying.

Actually, continuously bumping someone for no reason is indeed a petiotinable offense. Of course this doesn't apply to your ganking, because you are bumping them for a reason.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#523 - 2012-10-02 14:43:18 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Xolve wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide.


Sounds like you're talking out of your ass.

Bumping sadly, is a perfectly viable game mechanic, and will remain so- as what GM wants to deal with that floodgate of reimbursement requests should they change it. Furthermore, freighting much like anything else that happens in High Sec, isn't as safe as you bleating idiots want to pretend it is, stop crying.

Actually, continuously bumping someone for no reason is indeed a petiotinable offense. Of course this doesn't apply to your ganking, because you are bumping them for a reason.


I hope you have first hand evidence to support your ::sperg:: outburst

simply, you are wrong I personally have GM petitions and responses on the topic [therefore I am an expert at bowling industrial capitals]

players were bored decided to play freighter bowling, test subject was continually bumped from gate to some offgrid point like 1700 km this went on for an hour, pilot cried in local, cried in private convo then began the petitioning process

unless it''s changed in the last 6 months then bump anybody as many times as you like with CCP blessings

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Pipa Porto
#524 - 2012-10-02 15:02:04 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Xolve wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide.


Sounds like you're talking out of your ass.

Bumping sadly, is a perfectly viable game mechanic, and will remain so- as what GM wants to deal with that floodgate of reimbursement requests should they change it. Furthermore, freighting much like anything else that happens in High Sec, isn't as safe as you bleating idiots want to pretend it is, stop crying.

Actually, continuously bumping someone for no reason is indeed a petiotinable offense. Of course this doesn't apply to your ganking, because you are bumping them for a reason.


I hope you have first hand evidence to support your ::sperg:: outburst

simply, you are wrong I personally have GM petitions and responses on the topic [therefore I am an expert at bowling industrial capitals]

players were bored decided to play freighter bowling, test subject was continually bumped from gate to some offgrid point like 1700 km this went on for an hour, pilot cried in local, cried in private convo then began the petitioning process

unless it''s changed in the last 6 months then bump anybody as many times as you like with CCP blessings


Well heck, something has changed. There used to be a line about indefinitely bumping freighters. That line seems to have disappeared.

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-RubyPorto
All ineedislotion
Doomheim
#525 - 2012-10-03 03:30:25 UTC  |  Edited by: All ineedislotion
I think that ganking should defiantly be part of the game but the way the goons do freighter ganking should be made to be an exploit by ccp. One player should not be able to bump another player without any consequences. If a man is walking down the street and you keep bumping him that would be considered assault. The same should be in eve. Also the mechanic of a person who is pointed by a 3 day old character getting an agression timer for doing nothing more then trying to warp through system is flawed. If goons want the gank they should have to commit to it and not be able to play these stupid games of bump someone for 15minutes till they are frustrated and log. Or bump for 15minutes till they can get their fleet in order. Unless you are in low, null or at war with someone bumping a ship more then a few times should be aggression. Or if not change 15minute timer to 2 minutes so goons have to scan down and kill the ship in 2 minutes. 15 minutes is way too long.

And on another note it's lame that the goons who have more isk then they ever need are allowed to constantly manipulate markets and game mechanics without any consequences as well. Hulkageddon with mineral manipulation, the fw lp store manipulation and this ganking freighter manipulation are only a few things they exploit. A game should not be so much weighted to please a few percentage of the haves and against the majority of the have nots. This game isn't the united states and goons should not be allowed to be bernie madolf.
Powers Sa
#526 - 2012-10-03 12:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
Put all of your loot in a freight can, trade that freight can to an alt, have that alt courier it to your freighter pilot.


No more gank.

~One of the guys running the ganks~
Erotica 1 wrote:


It's funny that most of the intelligent comments I have read on here are from the goons themselves.

Maybe we should just ban pvp in all of high sec, so that we could fix the issue for one group of players and mess everyone else's game up. I mean we did it with mining ships why not.

Seriously though, haulers need to learn better strategies instead of calling for some new patch.


However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.

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2. Monthly fee will be 100m.

3. We will coordinate runs as small groups of freighters with an armed escrort. If gankers show up, we will web your ship to allow a quick warp to a corp safespot, rep your freighter as needed with our guardians, and finish off the gankers with the main escort fleet. We will then continue on. We will have multiple safes in each system so you can quickly warp no matter how you get bumped.


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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#527 - 2012-10-03 17:00:29 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
Put all of your loot in a freight can, trade that freight can to an alt, have that alt courier it to your freighter pilot.


No more gank.

~One of the guys running the ganks~


I though there was a way to open such things... Newbie misstake I guess.
D'Om K'vash
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#528 - 2012-10-03 17:57:25 UTC  |  Edited by: D'Om K'vash
All ineedislotion wrote:
I think that ganking should defiantly be part of the game but the way the goons do freighter ganking should be made to be an exploit by ccp. One player should not be able to bump another player without any consequences. If a man is walking down the street and you keep bumping him that would be considered assault. The same should be in eve. Also the mechanic of a person who is pointed by a 3 day old character getting an agression timer for doing nothing more then trying to warp through system is flawed. If goons want the gank they should have to commit to it and not be able to play these stupid games of bump someone for 15minutes till they are frustrated and log. Or bump for 15minutes till they can get their fleet in order. Unless you are in low, null or at war with someone bumping a ship more then a few times should be aggression. Or if not change 15minute timer to 2 minutes so goons have to scan down and kill the ship in 2 minutes. 15 minutes is way too long.

And on another note it's lame that the goons who have more isk then they ever need are allowed to constantly manipulate markets and game mechanics without any consequences as well. Hulkageddon with mineral manipulation, the fw lp store manipulation and this ganking freighter manipulation are only a few things they exploit. A game should not be so much weighted to please a few percentage of the haves and against the majority of the have nots. This game isn't the united states and goons should not be allowed to be bernie madolf.





I second this. Goons should have to commit. 15minute aggression timer for a ship that makes no aggression is beyond absurd. Ganking should not be so easy of a freighter in high sec. Also bumping for more then a few minutes in high sec is with no consequences is also absurd. It should be considered harassment. But ccp is just a bunch of goon lackeys so I'm sure you'll see no change because half of ccp is goons and all but 2 of csm is goons. They are more then the Bernie Madolfs they are the mitt Romneys of eve.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#529 - 2012-10-03 18:20:17 UTC
don't pack 10 billion in your freighter and you won't get ganked.. it's a pretty simple concept
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#530 - 2012-10-03 18:53:41 UTC
D'Om K'vash wrote:



I second this. Goons should have to commit. 15minute aggression timer for a ship that makes no aggression is beyond absurd. Ganking should not be so easy of a freighter in high sec. Also bumping for more then a few minutes in high sec is with no consequences is also absurd. It should be considered harassment. But ccp is just a bunch of goon lackeys so I'm sure you'll see no change because half of ccp is goons and all but 2 of csm is goons. They are more then the Bernie Madolfs they are the mitt Romneys of eve.


If you don't have too much value in your cargo hold, you will not get ganked.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#531 - 2012-10-03 18:56:17 UTC
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I second this. Goons should have to commit. 15minute aggression timer for a ship that makes no aggression is beyond absurd. Ganking should not be so easy of a freighter in high sec. Also bumping for more then a few minutes in high sec is with no consequences is also absurd. It should be considered harassment. But ccp is just a bunch of goon lackeys so I'm sure you'll see no change because half of ccp is goons and all but 2 of csm is goons. They are more then the Bernie Madolfs they are the mitt Romneys of eve.



Oh I heard you wanted to do whatever you want in High Sec.

How Novel.
D'Om K'vash
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#532 - 2012-10-03 20:19:28 UTC
writing don't fly with a lot of isk in your cargo is not a counter argument to the 15minute timer is a flawed mechanic and bumping should not be allowed. Thats like when there was discussions on dramiel being op'd. People would just say "dont' fight a dramiel if you see it on d scan run away.. or get a dramiel"

My opinion is that 15min aggression timer applied to player who has committed no aggression is not a good game mechanic and bumping for extended periods of time in high sec against non wts should be considered harassment or get aggression.

If you hava counter argument to this please post but if you are just a goon or pirate ganker with the advice of ".. uh well don't put 10 bil in your hold" then please just go back to your 10 accounts in niarja and gank more people so we can get this game mechanic changed by ccp.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#533 - 2012-10-03 20:35:40 UTC
I like how this thread is basically

Reasonable Person wrote:

Don't make yourself a target by packing so much value into your freighter.


or

Howling Angry Pubbie wrote:

GOONS GOONS GOONS I SHOULD BE ABLE TO PACK INFINITE ISK INTO MY FREIGHTER AND BE 100% SAFE IN HIGHSEC.


Making yourself profitable to gank through your own stupidity is a wonderful thing.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#534 - 2012-10-03 20:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Let's play deconstruct the terrible pubbie argument.

writing don't fly with a lot of isk in your cargo is not a counter argument to the 15minute timer is a flawed mechanic and bumping should not be allowed.

It is a grand counter argument, it places risk:reward directly into your hands. You can choose to make a greater reward by packing more valuable stuff in your cargo but, this also directly proportional to the risk increased by making yourself more of a target the saying "profitable to gank" comes to mind. You have complete control over your own risk:reward ratio for better or worse.

Also consider that the 15 minute timer applies in more circumstances than just your own with freighter emergency warp log out aggression. If the mechanic were removed tackled titans could log out and get away instead of dieing, logging out becomes the new "reset or load old saved game" button for pvp.

Thats like when there was discussions on dramiel being op'd. People would just say "dont' fight a dramiel if you see it on d scan run away.. or get a dramiel"

This is plain stupid and is a terrible comparison to what we're talking about now.

My opinion is that 15min aggression timer applied to player who has committed no aggression is not a good game mechanic and bumping for extended periods of time in high sec against non wts should be considered harassment or get aggression.


That's your opinion and its a bad one. For example if bumping caused aggression highsec gates and undocks would be death zones. Many people are constantly using these and small bumps are very common so not only would you be out a ship but you also would not get any insurance and you'd lose security status. As funny as this would be bumping should remain an option and also completely free of aggression mechanics.

If you hava counter argument to this please post but if you are just a goon or pirate ganker with the advice of ".. uh well don't put 10 bil in your hold" then please just go back to your 10 accounts in niarja and gank more people so we can get this game mechanic changed by ccp.


Basically you are going to completely ignore any opposing view points and solely wish to attract other howling pubbies in case CCP will cave to your demands like they did to the miner's demands.

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D'Om K'vash
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#535 - 2012-10-03 21:03:42 UTC  |  Edited by: D'Om K'vash
Thats why i said bumping for an extended period of time.. of course any bump shouldn't be aggression but allowing players to bump someone in high sec indefinitely with no consequences is absurd.

The titan point is a good point but that in null/low where there is known to be more risk. In high sec though there should be less risk and ganking should not be as easy as it is now. I was not saying remove any aggression timer what so ever i said make it 2 minutes or 3 something that makes it so you have a risk. And only shorten the agression timer in high sec so that you still have time to kill your titans and super caps. Also a freighter has like 150k ehp that can be alphad with a small gang of tornados. A freighter in high sec is not the same as a super cap. This is another case of null sec mechanic chage that has negativly effected high sec players. when you have 15 minutes in high sec (which is a lifetime in eve) if they log or unlimited time if they stay on and you bump there is no risk to you. You know exactly the ships you need to kill it there is no chance that you will fail in ganking the ship. You know it's cargo and that you will make isk. there is no risk on your side that you will fail. And if the only defense of the pilot being attacked is.."don't haul so much stuff" that is a stupid argument.

And it's funny that you say i will completely ignore opposing view point.. I think you have me confused with a goon. You guys only consider what is good for you and the goons. ( who are the richest and most well off in this game) You never consider what is good for the game or other players. So get out of here with that bull **** statement like goons have ever considered anyone's arguments but their own.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#536 - 2012-10-03 21:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
D'Om K'vash wrote:
My opinion is that 15min aggression timer applied to player who has committed no aggression is not a good game mechanic and bumping for extended periods of time in high sec against non wts should be considered harassment or get aggression.


Do you have any idea how incessantly difficult things would be if bumping someone gave you aggression, or if bumping itself didn't exist. It's a viable game mechanic, it isn't an exploit, and more often than not it can be used to get a kill that would otherwise escape.

There will continue to be PvP in EVE no matter if you want it or not. The base appeal for this game is its tolerance of non-consensual PvP, if you don't like that, play something else.


D'Om K'vash wrote:
If you hava counter argument to this please post but if you are just a goon or pirate ganker with the advice of ".. uh well don't put 10 bil in your hold" then please just go back to your 10 accounts in niarja and gank more people so we can get this game mechanic changed by ccp.


People are disagreeing with you not because "LOLGOONS" but because your argument is exactly opposed to what this game is about, High Sec is just that; It's not called Total Sec for a reason, there are tons of ways to avoid being ganked. Goons or anyone else that suicide ganks freighters will continue to do so because people (read: you) are entirely too stupid, can't be bothered, or just flat out refuse to take a few minutes to sort things out so they arn't flying around Empire with neon crosshairs hanging over their heads.

Regardless as to what you think about it, it's been this way for years, isn't changing- and it's pretty much a crystal clear case of 'adapt or die', or you know pay someone else to move your space pixels for you with proper collateral (at least when THEY get blown up YOU lose nothing).


D'Om whatever wrote:
You guys only consider what is good for you and the goons. ( who are the richest and most well off in this game) You never consider what is good for the game or other players. So get out of here with that bull **** statement like goons have ever considered anyone's arguments but their own.


You mean like that broad generalization of a counter-argument that is literally screaming 'I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANY OTHER ASPECT OF THE GAME, ONLY HIGHSEC, BUT CHANGE THIS **** BECAUSE ITS UNFAIR FOR ME IN HIGHSEC REGARDLESS OF HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT THE REST OF THE GAME' and is completely and sweepingly different than Goons making propositions to change game mechanics that are good for Goons. Could you be any less informed?

So, I believe it is you sir, that needs to :getout:
D'Om K'vash
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#537 - 2012-10-03 22:17:35 UTC
These last two posts are perfect example of why goons should not be allowed to be csm members. There is no back and forth or give and take or compromise. If you propose an idea its "you are stupid get out of here."

You are not allowed to oppose them or the one guy with 10 accounts that they pay to stay on forums and blast people will come after you with that argument. "you are stupid i am a goon and i my way is better"

15 minute timer for a high sec freighter with only 150k ehp that can be bumped indefinatly is a bad mechanic. I'm think that you need that 15 to kill super caps but you don't need that 15 for a freighter with 150k ehp. if high sec freighter pilots are to be put under a rule that was made for null sec super caps to prevent them from logging off then they should be given super cap defensive capabilities. but since i don't see that happening then why not make high sec "agression timer" even though there is not agression less. say 2 mintues or 3 or 5 whatever. but that rule was a something null sec guys wanted and surprise goons are taking advantage of it and manipulating the game.

Minerals first
then fw lp
now they are farming freighters in high sec.

The fact that only goons and other null sec guys or pirates are opposing all the ganking threads out there should say something about who these rules benefit.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#538 - 2012-10-03 22:21:44 UTC
D'Om K'vash wrote:
if high sec freighter pilots are to be put under a rule that was made for null sec super caps to prevent them from logging off then they should be given super cap defensive capabilities.


You're absolutely correct space friend, give freighters super capital defensive capabilities, along with the pricetag, and inability to dock in stations... Roll

Oh wait- did that just break the purpose of them being freighters?
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#539 - 2012-10-03 23:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bart Starr
Xolve wrote:
D'Om K'vash wrote:
if high sec freighter pilots are to be put under a rule that was made for null sec super caps to prevent them from logging off then they should be given super cap defensive capabilities.


You're absolutely correct space friend, give freighters super capital defensive capabilities, along with the pricetag, and inability to dock in stations... Roll

Oh wait- did that just break the purpose of them being freighters?


No, sir, I think you misunderstand.

He wants supercapital EHP for freighters without any of the disadvantages.

Or he wants logoffski somehow returned to highsec because everyone knows that "unplug internet cable = escape certain death" is a winning concept.

Or he wants to make bumping 'indefinitely' a banning offense. Not sure what that accomplishes because it seems that Goons only bump targets long enough to kill them with blasters. They bump them for 150-200K EHP. Hardly 'indefinitely'.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#540 - 2012-10-03 23:34:03 UTC
D'Om K'vash wrote:
These last two posts are perfect example of why goons should not be allowed to be csm members. There is no back and forth or give and take or compromise. If you propose an idea its "you are stupid get out of here."

You are not allowed to oppose them or the one guy with 10 accounts that they pay to stay on forums and blast people will come after you with that argument. "you are stupid i am a goon and i my way is better"

15 minute timer for a high sec freighter with only 150k ehp that can be bumped indefinatly is a bad mechanic. I'm think that you need that 15 to kill super caps but you don't need that 15 for a freighter with 150k ehp. if high sec freighter pilots are to be put under a rule that was made for null sec super caps to prevent them from logging off then they should be given super cap defensive capabilities. but since i don't see that happening then why not make high sec "agression timer" even though there is not agression less. say 2 mintues or 3 or 5 whatever. but that rule was a something null sec guys wanted and surprise goons are taking advantage of it and manipulating the game.

Minerals first
then fw lp
now they are farming freighters in high sec.

The fact that only goons and other null sec guys or pirates are opposing all the ganking threads out there should say something about who these rules benefit.


High sec carebear reporting in to tell you you are wrong. Carry less stuff in your cargo hold and you will prevent most gank. Also, DON'T EVER WRAP IT. EVER! It looks like you want to hide something so it must be worth a lot. It will get blown up too.

Use the right ship for the job at hand. A freighter is not the only option for hauling.