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Why CCP isn't helping Eve-Kill Team ?
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Cyno Kidd
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-10-03 18:30:43 UTC
I understand eve-kill has hardware problems. It's something about 8.000 $ afaik. Eve-kill looks great and helps us all a lot, obviously.

Why don't CCP help Eve-kill to get the site going ? Not my business how they wanna do it.
We will be happy, CCP should be happy, Eve-kill happy ! Everybody wins !

It's a small amount of money for a company like CCP so I don't think it's a big deal for them.

They should invest or help related Eve programs that help us everyday. Dotlan, killboards ( big ones like eve-kill or battleclinic ), EveMon, etc.

Maybe I miss facts and they do help so I may just talk bullshite right now.

If anyone can clear things for me, I'll be thankful.

o/
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-10-03 18:33:46 UTC
Because all of them is 3rd party?

I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Cyno Kidd
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-10-03 18:39:30 UTC
Could be 10th party if you ask me, we all use them everyday, I think it's in CCP interest to keep us happy. I don't see your point.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-10-03 18:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable.

How did you Veterans start?
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-10-03 18:43:36 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable.

This.


Also, even if they did/do help the Eve-kill team, I'm pretty sure they won't go public about it.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#6 - 2012-10-03 18:44:28 UTC
Hey at least they're not charging Eve Kill $99 a year for "licensing" like they wanted to.
RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-10-03 18:44:37 UTC
Proposes CCP take the DUST killboard template, tweeks it for EVE, lock a Dev in a closet for a month, and implement for TQ.End result CCP saves $8,000, the community aswel as CCP is no longer dependent on a third party that had ltm resources.
Imports Plus
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-10-03 19:25:45 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Because if you help one 3rd party group, you HAVE to help ALL the 3rd party groups. Otherwise, you risk looking like you are either picking favorites and/or that you are inconsistent/unreliable.


Except that the killboard and km tracking is vital to many thousands of pvp players. Any other 3rd party app is just fluff.

HELP EVE-KILL DAMMIT
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-10-03 19:39:22 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh.

That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill.
So I guess you should be happy that it's down.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-03 19:55:51 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh.

Kill reports (mails?) help tell the stories of conflict in this game. This game is all about combat. Without the stories, this game would be forgettable.

The more detailed information in kill mails to help tell the story, the better.
Reticle
Sight Picture
#11 - 2012-10-03 19:57:30 UTC
If they're going to help EVE Kill, then I'd like to get some help for my hardware issues as well. $8k for me please!
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#12 - 2012-10-03 19:59:31 UTC
I have a better idea; http://pledgie.com/campaigns/18342

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Ryhss
#13 - 2012-10-03 20:59:22 UTC
What's Eve-kill?

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#14 - 2012-10-03 21:04:07 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh.

That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill.
So I guess you should be happy that it's down.


Let me help you with that.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance
Brusanan
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#15 - 2012-10-03 21:12:48 UTC
Why isn't the OP giving Eve-Kill his money?

Also, there are plenty of alternatives to Eve-Kill.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-10-03 21:16:19 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh.

That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill.
So I guess you should be happy that it's down.


Why should I be happy it's down?

I just think if people were not held up to ridicule for a loss more people would actually risk loosing their ships.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#17 - 2012-10-03 21:19:24 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I would rather the entire concept of Killmail tracking be removed tbh.

That's the kind of comment that prompts me to look you up on eve-kill.
So I guess you should be happy that it's down.


Why should I be happy it's down?

I just think if people were not held up to ridicule for a loss more people would actually risk loosing their ships.

No, I don't think they would.

Contrary to what you assert, most risk aversion is due to attachment. That attachment can be derived from value or any other arbitrary human foible.

Some people who really love their precious won't ever risk it.

That's the definition of risk-aversion.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Cyno Kidd
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-10-04 04:18:31 UTC
Tbh, I don't really understand why CCP haven't started their own killboards and similar programs like EveMon, Eveboard, Ore charts, Jitonomic alike and so on.

And no, CCP could help any 3rd party they want, nobody can make them help ALL of them. If I were in their place, I would help only the ones who really brought something to make the game better.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#19 - 2012-10-04 06:27:35 UTC
Yawn....
The one thread to rule them all (oh wait, wrong one)

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-04 10:08:36 UTC
Hi, and thanks to everyone of you who have donated so far.
So far i have been waiting on CCP to say yay or nay to letting us post on EVE-O about the pledgie and the issues we have been having, but seeing as someone else posted it, i shall reply!

The problems we are having are hardware related, and after trying several hosters to get the specific kind of hardware we want and need to keep EVE-KILL running, we came to the conclusion that paying upwards of 800$ a month to get the sort of support, bandwidth, peering and hardware we wanted, wasn't at all feasible.
So instead we started looking at maybe doing it ourselves, and - well, we have decided that we can and will do it ourselves.

Problem is however, that EVE-KILL can barely make enough to keep itself afloat as it is, and the money that is leftover after paying servers and whatnot, is being saved up for just this thing (buying our own hardware). Sadly we have been sort of forced to do it early, which is why we are asking the community for help with getting us the last money.

Now, you might think that CCP should help us do this sort of thing, but as someone else already pointed out, if CCP decides to help us out with money, they pretty much would have to help everyone else too. So i can completely understand their dilemma.
Which is also why i havn't asked them for monetary assistance, and i wont. If they offer it, great, if not, no biggie.

Anyway, i'll continue fixing holes on the sinking ship while Beanie is manning the pumps. Hopefully we can stay afloat a little longer Smile
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