Missions & Complexes

Drone Dura V and Gal BS V are roughly 50 days training (since you can't possibly be spec'ed for both without a remap) and is only 11% more total drone health. Gal BS V is more damage and is therefore worthwhile, but Drone Dura V remains semi-questionable. Drone Dura V, if you already had Gal BS V, is a scant 4% more health.



wut?

DDE's at 100 calibration don't seem very likely to make much of a splash, even with this change. But who knows, maybe they will.

You have accepted it as "OK"? Catching a ratter in an anom relies 100% on the ratter not to be paying attention - it takes at minimum 20 seconds after spiking local to scan down and land on grid with a ratter - and now you want to make it so even if you do get tackle in an interceptor, you're going to have to also hope the ratter killed all the frigates? Really, the odds were already skewed heavily in the null bears favor, and now you are basically deeming it OK to destroy an entire play-style.

That's without mentioning people who like soloing in stealth bombers (of which there are a lot) which you basically just said "yeah well **** you guys I like PvE more, get a friend or a bigger ship" to.

I don't know why you think its okay to do this.

The corp I'm in will basically have to recreate itself or die if this goes through, since all we do is being destroyed by the whimsical changes of a dev who doesn't care for a particular style of play.

On another note, why would Sansha start shooting at someone who was quite clearly helping them? That's stupid.

CCP has accepted the death of this playstyle, along with a few others as okay. You heard it from the team who 'fixed' Incursions. You'll, cope, I guess? Just like the Incursion players d... oh wait.



The strategy will probably be the same as it is now for some player's. Kill the BS's first, while leaving the frigates and cruiser's. If a PvP pilot pops in on you, stop shooting at the rats because all the frigate's and potentially some of the cruiser's will swap to the PvP'er and you'll have your own pocket CONCORD to protect you. Even though you were just recently killing them. Fortunately for the lucky 'bear, they'll focus on killing the PvP'er until the 'bear swaps back to them.



Do it with medium drones and you can escape faction police scrams as well... whee for unintended consequences.



They seem to be okay with it.

Seems likely, and I just think it's bizarre that ccp thinks this is "better". The NPC frigs are one thing, but the thing I plan on leaving alive in noms and plexes as my "pocket concord" or "Bear Shield" (took me all night to think up Bear Shield, where is my forum copyright button?) are the NPc DESTROYERS, 3 or 4 of whom could instapop a frigate sized ship trying to tackle me.

A warp disruptor or scram counts are EWAR right, so mister "i'm gonna kill yo shiney ship in the sanctum" just made him NPC enemy #1 by pointing me LOL.

I don't know about you Adi, but I'm book marking this thread and the other one for my victory lap/"we told you so" postings I'll do sometime after Dec 3 :) .

Guys please move the feedback to the other thread. I should have made my post there and posted a link from here to there.

+1

Look, at this point, it does not seem that there is an willingness of ccp to put out actual pve content, having the AI change is not something that was completely needed for pve in high or null.

Having some tiered system where people can scale up and down group size and risk (think of how wow handles 5 to 25 people content, add in scaling up to 100 or more people and call it something for eve) that is not just high end content like incursion which would be very nice. Something that scales from baby's first group content with frigates and destroyers, to 100 man shiny fleets out in null with good location choice, eyes, hot drop backup and semi pvp fit with good FC.

PvE in any other game is something I can get a group of my IRL friends to come in, does it in an hour or two, and then if they want to do something else, I can do my own thing that is harder afterwards. There is no such equivalent in eve.

It would be nice for example to have some scripted content, like say having the need for smaller ships to bait larger ships into asteroid belt or mine field. Or having ECM applied at specific times to mitigate a "big hit", think something like a charge up time for a large gun that you better have enough TD and angular velocity ready to counter it.

Then to scale those, at the start the bait ship could be done by any thing reasonably fast, and the mine field or asteroid would be easily avoidable and don't need much manual piloting. While at the highest end, you need Inty or AF to tank some incoming damage (gear check), that has lots of zones where you need to do manual piloting to avoid (skill check), and has the chaser needing some sort of ECM to get things going (coordination check).

Having solo content getting a bit of a tiercide would be nice, imagine if there is elite L1 / L2 / L3 content that needs you to fly Tier 2 / Tier 3 ships to complete that has the same Isk / Hr as L4s, and that it is just that L1 caters to frigs and destroyers, L2 caters to cruisers, and L3 to T3 / BCs, so if you have been training exclusively for x in pvp, it is going to be good in the grind when you got perfect skill for that nice wolf, instead of asking you to train into a mael to get better income to blow up those wolfs.

Eve needs some content to be consumed, it can't all just be dynamic player produced content when it is Player verses ENVIRONMENT. Having this AI change is simply going to annoy the high sec players that never reads forums or communicates other than their little bubble of people, it isn't going to draw in any more people or interest any more people than what we got now because it is simply making the tedious and boring pve content a bit more annoying to do.

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This is why were are highlighting the potential problems, such as the unintended effect of giving null sec "ratters" more protection from pvp due to the possibility of npc pirates switching target to[i] the guy (ganker) who is incidentally trying to save said npc pirates lol. "

That logic doesn't work, that would be like whining about a ganker appearing on grid in an active WH site, said griefer dies and says the "sleepers were protecting him from pvp!!"
That is just silly, don't go in the kitchen if you can't tank the heat.

Fortunately for everyone that doesn't hunt carebears in their missions and PLEX's, the griefer will pretty much die because the mission rats will protect the carebear from unexpected PvP. Depending on how smart the carebear is (doesn't have to be very), the rats will turn into CONCORD and focus fire on the PvP interloper until he dies... and only then will they focus attention back on the carebear.

CCP is okay with this, btw... just in case that was a follow-up question.



Read some of the threads, then get back to us :)

If you still imagine this change is going to do a single thing to stop totally AFK drone usage, then you may want to re-read, slower.

Yea, that was my fault I included a link in my big post but should have added it again.

Please try and keep the feedback over in this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155690