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Anthropomorphism: Amarr Empires Man god presides over Church

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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2012-10-03 03:36:02 UTC
As an Amarrian freedom fighter I get a lot of questions regarding the state of the Empire and it's apparent lack of evolution represented by their current belief in the practice of slavery. There is a universal set of moral standards. A way of treating others as one wishes to be treated. This code is as old as instincts in animals. A self preserving sense imparted and honed from birth by way of common sense, coexistence and survival.

These common traits valued in all living beings has been systematically removed from that of the common Amarr citizen. Shaping their religion to accommodate the government they put a face on God and without saying so directly made him an emperor.

The Amarr began their spiritual pursuits for enlightenment just like all nations of time and space, word of mouth. Something unexplainable, miracles and testaments proclaiming instances of infallible beauty witnessed or perceived became documented. Documents which allowed sooth sayers to forget or be forgotten leading to the construction of a religion.

Anarchy in Amarr Empire's highest echelons conspired to control Amarrians through undying loyalty using religion as a template. Placing an image of man as god the spirituality of the Amarr believer became humanized. The responsibility to become enlightened became entwined with the slaving of more spiritual belief systems. Thus the Minmatar peoples current predicament. The final product is a government which exalts man in the name of god under the doctrine of religion: A cult whose citizens are trapped in a web of faith encompassing patriotism and belief.
Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-10-03 03:49:41 UTC
See, the Amarrian Empire isn't some monolithic entity, WE have lunatics too.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#3 - 2012-10-03 06:11:58 UTC
I dunno, his premise seems pretty rational to me.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-10-03 07:46:49 UTC
Tonight on IGS, unbeliever agrees with unbeliever on the non-existence of God. Holo at 2300 hours, once we've all recovered from the shock.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#5 - 2012-10-03 07:53:14 UTC
Ms. Mai, why should we believe in your God? What reason do we have to accept the existence of your supposed deity?
Astroyka
IXXAXAAR
#6 - 2012-10-03 08:12:45 UTC
It's good to have you back Captain Ephesianos, I see being planet side hasn't dulled your opinions on the "Amarr Situation". We are glad to have you back, welcome home.

Astroyka

A New Eden pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden

www.astroyka.net

@Astroyka

Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-10-03 09:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaki Mai
Saede Riordan wrote:
Ms. Mai, why should we believe in your God? What reason do we have to accept the existence of your supposed deity?


That's two different questions, you know? The first question is difficult enough - why should you believe? Well, my beliefs tell me that if you don't not only believe in God, but accept His Will then you remain one of the Fallen and, upon your death, your soul is lost in the darkness forever. Of course, such an argument makes total sense to me - raised in the Amarrian Faith. I accept that when you don't already believe in God, then you probably don't believe you're one of the Fallen. In fact, such a belief is a primary definition OF the Fallen.

The second question is much easier. Why should you ACCEPT the existence of God? Well, God is the worship figure of the oldest and largest faith in New Eden. His Faith has united the Amarr and their client races and still unites the Empire today. Even when the Kingdom threw off Imperial Rule it did not throw off the Faith, and the Imperial version of the Faith is still the official orthodox version to this day - I hear it is even supplanting the Ammatar Church in the Ammatar Mandate.

All of that should, at least, win an acceptance of the possibility that He exists, no?
Mardon Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-10-03 10:24:49 UTC
Even thought some Amarr are combative about their faith and the questions that others pose to it, I can understand where you are coming from but I will contest your claim that slavery in our faith is an attempt at controlling others. It is a system where a family is held for about ten generations at the maximum and then the process of introducing their souls to God and his light is complete. This can be done wrong and in manner which is in contradiction to the scriptures but they way that I stated above is the reason why people are enslaved. If I have not been clear or you do not understand Mr.Ephesianos, please ask for some help.

Sincerly Mardon Hashur

Astroyka
IXXAXAAR
#9 - 2012-10-03 11:48:15 UTC
Mardon Hashur wrote:
Even thought some Amarr are combative about their faith and the questions that others pose to it, I can understand where you are coming from but I will contest your claim that slavery in our faith is an attempt at controlling others. It is a system where a family is held for about ten generations at the maximum and then the process of introducing their souls to God and his light is complete. This can be done wrong and in manner which is in contradiction to the scriptures but they way that I stated above is the reason why people are enslaved. If I have not been clear or you do not understand Mr.Ephesianos, please ask for some help.


I often wondered if you get "God Loyalty Points" (GLP) for reclaiming slaves, what are the metrics for this? I assume after 10 generations of what you seem to think isn't control would rack up some serious "God Points" for you.

Is there a limit to those points where your God acknowledges that you have gain enough to cease subjugation? Or is your work never done? Seems like a massive grind to me, I hope the GLP Store has some useful items you can purchase, such as "Title of Saint" for 70 million points and 2000 dog tags.

It's just a shame, in this scenario, human beings have been reduced to nothing more than points, but I guess slavery is the only means for you.

Astroyka

A New Eden pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden

www.astroyka.net

@Astroyka

Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-10-03 13:37:36 UTC
It's funny, but it seems to vary considerably.

The Khanid were almost never enslaved. The Ni-Kunni were, but they spent a very little time in chains. The Ealur, on the other hand, seem never to be ready for freedom.

Interestingly enough, there is no merit in simply keeping Slaves, but only in striving to reform them. Keeping them longer is not something to boast of, in fact if there were any 'points' to score at all, it would be for freeing them. See? God wants the same thing you do.
Astroyka
IXXAXAAR
#11 - 2012-10-03 13:41:41 UTC
Amaki Mai wrote:
Keeping them longer is not something to boast of, in fact if there were any 'points' to score at all, it would be for freeing them. See? God wants the same thing you do.


The Matari were already free before they were enslaved. Can you provide me the contact details for your god, I think he/she/it needs to be made aware of this so he/she/it can amend your misguided scriptures.

Astroyka

A New Eden pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden

www.astroyka.net

@Astroyka

Cartoth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-03 13:46:37 UTC
It seems to me that the message is that faith is good, religion is bad.

And usually i tend to agree.
Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-10-03 14:15:18 UTC
Astroyka wrote:
Amaki Mai wrote:
Keeping them longer is not something to boast of, in fact if there were any 'points' to score at all, it would be for freeing them. See? God wants the same thing you do.


The Matari were already free before they were enslaved. Can you provide me the contact details for your god, I think he/she/it needs to be made aware of this so he/she/it can amend your misguided scriptures.


Certainly, Astroyka. I can't imagine that the Church would resist an order from God Himself.

Directions? Okay. Find Amarr space. Look for an inhabited world and land at the major city. You need to find the BIG golden building. Head inside and take a seat. Close your eyes, try and calm your mind and pray.
Astroyka
IXXAXAAR
#14 - 2012-10-03 14:55:02 UTC
Thanks for the directions, I'll add it to my navigation computer, although I doubt the commands will be accepted.

Astroyka

A New Eden pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden

www.astroyka.net

@Astroyka

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#15 - 2012-10-03 15:46:30 UTC
Pilot Mai I'd offer a counter proposal; find a Matari world and seek out a shaman. Speak to him or her at some length about Matari spirituality. Keep an open mind, remain calm and then you'll see that we do have beliefs as to how the universe functions, our place in the universe, ideas of right and wrong, etc.

We are in fact a very spiritual people. We just don't accept your deity or your sovereign.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-10-03 17:09:38 UTC
I, of course, do not proclaim myself as a Shaman but as usual do extend the offer to any inquiring capsuleer to speak to me upon the subject in regards to Anabella's suggestion.

If you are interested, do contact me via mail. I appreciate the "security risks" surrounding such meetings, but do keep in mind that the risks are mutual and that I would be willing to meet at a location of your choosing.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-10-03 20:51:13 UTC
Halete wrote:
I, of course, do not proclaim myself as a Shaman but as usual do extend the offer to any inquiring capsuleer to speak to me upon the subject in regards to Anabella's suggestion.

If you are interested, do contact me via mail. I appreciate the "security risks" surrounding such meetings, but do keep in mind that the risks are mutual and that I would be willing to meet at a location of your choosing.


I would be very interested in doing so, not so much because I never believed the Matari were spiritual, but because my understanding of your beliefs is not very well defined.

Let me give it some thought and get back to you. I'm sure there's some neutral ground where we can meet.
Cartoth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-03 21:15:21 UTC
Halete wrote:
If you are interested, do contact me via mail. I appreciate the "security risks" surrounding such meetings, but do keep in mind that the risks are mutual and that I would be willing to meet at a location of your choosing.


i would also be very interested in this, as i could use all the help i can get on my own personal journey
Mardon Hashur
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-10-03 22:43:03 UTC
Astroyka wrote:
Mardon Hashur wrote:
Even thought some Amarr are combative about their faith and the questions that others pose to it, I can understand where you are coming from but I will contest your claim that slavery in our faith is an attempt at controlling others. It is a system where a family is held for about ten generations at the maximum and then the process of introducing their souls to God and his light is complete. This can be done wrong and in manner which is in contradiction to the scriptures but they way that I stated above is the reason why people are enslaved. If I have not been clear or you do not understand Mr.Ephesianos, please ask for some help.


I often wondered if you get "God Loyalty Points" (GLP) for reclaiming slaves, what are the metrics for this? I assume after 10 generations of what you seem to think isn't control would rack up some serious "God Points" for you.

Is there a limit to those points where your God acknowledges that you have gain enough to cease subjugation? Or is your work never done? Seems like a massive grind to me, I hope the GLP Store has some useful items you can purchase, such as "Title of Saint" for 70 million points and 2000 dog tags.

It's just a shame, in this scenario, human beings have been reduced to nothing more than points, but I guess slavery is the only means for you.



Well I wouldn't say that but it could be something like that. I think it as a way to see if a person is wholly with God with it be words or faith.

Sincerly Mardon Hashur

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-04 05:18:12 UTC
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
As an Amarrian freedom fighter I get a lot of questions regarding the state of the Empire and it's apparent lack of evolution represented by their current belief in the practice of slavery. There is a universal set of moral standards. A way of treating others as one wishes to be treated. This code is as old as instincts in animals. A self preserving sense imparted and honed from birth by way of common sense, coexistence and survival.

These common traits valued in all living beings has been systematically removed from that of the common Amarr citizen. Shaping their religion to accommodate the government they put a face on God and without saying so directly made him an emperor.

The Amarr began their spiritual pursuits for enlightenment just like all nations of time and space, word of mouth. Something unexplainable, miracles and testaments proclaiming instances of infallible beauty witnessed or perceived became documented. Documents which allowed sooth sayers to forget or be forgotten leading to the construction of a religion.

Anarchy in Amarr Empire's highest echelons conspired to control Amarrians through undying loyalty using religion as a template. Placing an image of man as god the spirituality of the Amarr believer became humanized. The responsibility to become enlightened became entwined with the slaving of more spiritual belief systems. Thus the Minmatar peoples current predicament. The final product is a government which exalts man in the name of god under the doctrine of religion: A cult whose citizens are trapped in a web of faith encompassing patriotism and belief.

And you joined tribals, and are going against your own people with weapons because of THIS?...
This is disgusting.
You know, if you were really troubled and wanted to help, you could start changing it from inside, making it better for a change, not worse. And if you had gained success in it, you could reach as high greatness, as our glorious leader Tibus Heth. But you have chosen poorly. You became scum and traitor. You became enemy to your own people, and to all our civilized world. You became one of vermins, that must be eliminated.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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