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There some trick to scanning?

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#21 - 2012-09-03 10:19:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrorfrodo
I-See U wrote:
I've found that the time to invest in Astrometrics 5 is invaluable. Coupled with level 4 skills in all the other scanning skills and this technique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8n8KamI0Ag

scanning will be a piece of cake and all sigs will be done in less than 15min


You do not actually scan down the sigs in the video, you just scan most to >25%, then ignore them. Even those you do scan down you immediately ignore... in a real situation, you'd want to make bookmarks and examine them (in case of wormholes) which takes about as much time as scanning them.

Using DSP's I can for example come into a C3, make one scan and immediately know that 12 of the 24 sigs in the system are no incoming wormholes and with a very high probability no wormholes at all but only mag/radar sites (outgoing wormholes of the same size are very rare unless it's a C3 with nullsec static). Thus if I want to know all open wormholes I can just ignore half the sigs in the system, and the hard-to-scan half at that.

In some classes, the static wormhole even has a unique size, so with one DSP scan I can always find the static's signature at once. Certainly not bad for a skill that only takes two weeks.

edit: I just realized that I misread the word "invaluable" in your post... the technique is not bad although I would combine it with the use of DSP's.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-09-03 14:25:43 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
I-See U wrote:
I've found that the time to invest in Astrometrics 5 is invaluable. Coupled with level 4 skills in all the other scanning skills and this technique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8n8KamI0Ag

scanning will be a piece of cake and all sigs will be done in less than 15min


You do not actually scan down the sigs in the video, you just scan most to >25%, then ignore them. Even those you do scan down you immediately ignore... in a real situation, you'd want to make bookmarks and examine them (in case of wormholes) which takes about as much time as scanning them.


since it's my vid (on my probing alt) i thought id respond.
the probing see is totally standard practice: ID all sigs, BM all WHs.
yes, i did ignore all the WHs when i hit 100% but at the end i clear ignores sigs and BM them.
none of the other sigs are ever worth probing down to 100% unless you plan to run them, which i personally do not do.

only time i probe everything to 100% is in my home system so i can activate all the sigs and make them go away asap.

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#23 - 2012-09-03 23:54:18 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Use 8 probes set to 4AU, setup 6 to make two lines of 3 (forming two overlapping boxes), and put the final 2 at the center of each box.


this is by FAR the worst 8 probe layout ive ever heard of...

(as a note, there are quite a few WH types that are as hard or harder to probe out as mag/rad sites so if this doesnt pick those up, youre going to be missing WHs a lot.)


Certainly does the job in class 3s! What sort of wh-types are they then? And that arrangement if for locating wormholes only. I've never found a wh sig that requires as much strength to find as a mag site, every single one was on 4AU range.

Sure your skills are good? P

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-09-04 06:32:28 UTC
c2/3 <--> c5/6 holes, c5/6 --> HS, HS/LS --> C5 off the top of my head.
the kspace ones are the same difficulty as rad/mag, the c2/3 <--> C5/6 ones are harder than mag/rads.

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#25 - 2012-09-05 08:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Terrorfrodo
Jack Miton wrote:


since it's my vid (on my probing alt) i thought id respond.
the probing see is totally standard practice: ID all sigs, BM all WHs.
yes, i did ignore all the WHs when i hit 100% but at the end i clear ignores sigs and BM them.
none of the other sigs are ever worth probing down to 100% unless you plan to run them, which i personally do not do.

only time i probe everything to 100% is in my home system so i can activate all the sigs and make them go away asap.

All right, I basically do it the same way. But I do bookmark scanned wormholes at once, because if you get disconnected just before you're done with everything, you lose all of your work Blink


Jack Miton wrote:
c2/3 <--> c5/6 holes, c5/6 --> HS, HS/LS --> C5 off the top of my head.
the kspace ones are the same difficulty as rad/mag, the c2/3 <--> C5/6 ones are harder than mag/rads.


The difficulty of signatures is not directly related to the class of wormhole. There are just different kinds of wormholes and they have different signature sizes. Example: The H296 wormhole (C5 to C5) is very big, same size as a K162 or a C1 to Hisec hole. Whereas C3 to Nullsec (K346) is of the smallest size and as 'hard' to scan as a RAD or MAG site. There is no wormhole signature that is smaller than w-space RAD/MAG sites.

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stup idity
#26 - 2012-09-05 14:14:37 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:


... There is no wormhole signature that is smaller than w-space RAD/MAG sites.


At least this is not true.

Full numbers are here:
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html

Probe strength is found under "charge info" in the fitting screen when the mouse is pointed over the probe launcher.

I am the Herald of all beings that are me.

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-09-05 15:11:56 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
The difficulty of signatures is not directly related to the class of wormhole. There are just different kinds of wormholes and they have different signature sizes. Example: The H296 wormhole (C5 to C5) is very big, same size as a K162 or a C1 to Hisec hole. Whereas C3 to Nullsec (K346) is of the smallest size and as 'hard' to scan as a RAD or MAG site. There is no wormhole signature that is smaller than w-space RAD/MAG sites.


look, you can argue all you like but anyone who cares to can go look up the raw data on sig size for WHs and compare it to mags.
i dont care enough to do it and dont remember the WH type codes so i just listed the connection types I know to be in the same or smaller size category as mags. take it or leave it.

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Ellariona
B52 Bombers
#28 - 2012-09-05 21:16:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ellariona
1. Search current solarsystem
2a. on the first line after the general stats, set your scan strength by clicking on the icon to the right
2b. read the first line after the general stats:
"Connection to unknown ● class 3 system via static M267 wormhole. Signature Strength 2,2"

This means: With 1 deep space scanner probe at max range setting, the signature of your static should be 2.2

Good alliances (like the one i'm in) develop their own tools/websites to easily manage and coordinate intel though.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#29 - 2012-09-07 09:36:45 UTC
stup idity wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:


... There is no wormhole signature that is smaller than w-space RAD/MAG sites.


At least this is not true.

Full numbers are here:
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html

Probe strength is found under "charge info" in the fitting screen when the mouse is pointed over the probe launcher.


Interesting. I was about to concede that I stand corrected, because I have never encountered most of the wormhole types listed in the one category smaller than mag/rad sites, that is, holes to C6 from C1,3 or 4.

But, according to this list the wormhole M267 from C5 to C3 is also in the smallest 0.02 band, and I can definitely confirm that this is not correct. M267 is the static of the system I've been living in for several months now, and I have scanned down hundreds of them. It is size 0.05 (or rather 0.06 with my skills), just like mag/rad.

So maybe those other exotic wormholes are indeed size 0.02, but if there is one error in that list, I guess there could be more...

edit: At least one more error: C2 to C6 is R474 not R747, and it's not size 0.02 either. I found one of those just a few days ago and it was size 0.05 as well. (It led to TLC's C6 btw and there was a good fight :))

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Dragunov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-09-26 16:17:06 UTC
Launch your probes, set to max range (32 AU), make your regular box pattern and spread the probes to cover the whole system and hit analyze. You'll get a bunch of returns like...

AEX
BEX
CEX
DEX
EFT
FEX
GEX

The stuff that's been in the hole for days (Ladar/Gravs) all got new ID's at downtime and they match. Anything that has spawned since then will have an ID that stands out. EFT is probably your exit wormhole.
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-09-27 08:40:05 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Archdaimon wrote:
Clear the ladar sites and buy a real scanning ship?


lol I would if I could get out of the WH in which I live! :P

Sorry guys, totally forgot I made this thread... reading everything else now.



for this you do not need to scann, just use the pod express and selfdestruct !! or call in local and ask for beeing podded
Caesar Desilva
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-10-03 01:07:47 UTC
Dragunov wrote:
Launch your probes, set to max range (32 AU), make your regular box pattern and spread the probes to cover the whole system and hit analyze. You'll get a bunch of returns like...

AEX
BEX
CEX
DEX
EFT
FEX
GEX

The stuff that's been in the hole for days (Ladar/Gravs) all got new ID's at downtime and they match. Anything that has spawned since then will have an ID that stands out. EFT is probably your exit wormhole.



you are correct, usually that what id go for when I get all the sigs up on my scanner, the one with the odd ID is usually a WH
Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-10-03 11:49:00 UTC
Some very good tips in this thread. Thanks to all you ppl for sharing Big smile
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