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What's so great about the Ishtar?
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Umamasyean
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-17 11:24:28 UTC
I keep hearing this ship can solo this, solo that...even when the recommendations are like "commandship/logistics combo", etc.

What makes this ship so great that it can do this even though it's a tiny ship? Is it due for a nerf?
To mare
Advanced Technology
#2 - 2011-10-17 11:30:25 UTC
ishtar was great when it could be nanoed
now its a mediocre ship.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-17 11:32:08 UTC
Peoples telling you that are generally fighting Guristas.

überhigh kinetic resistance + small sigradius + afterburner makes it a god for missions and such. Also, drones don't get jammed. That's why it's so awesome.

If you want to tank big complexes though you might want a logistic or someone who can rep you. You have überhigh resistances and whatnot, but the active tank is pretty weak (Weak, but largely sufficient due to the ship not taking much damage from rats).
Mart Allini
Lead Farmers
#4 - 2011-10-17 11:34:08 UTC
Its a great ship for solo null-sec plexes because it can dedicate all its slots to tank and still do reasonable DPS as it all comes from the sentry drones. It particularly shines against Guristas as the drones will happily keep shooting away even if your Ishtar is being jammed(the high t2 resists don't hurt either)
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-17 11:34:43 UTC
It's a drone boat. As in it has ships bonuses to the effectiveness of drones.

Drones have limits but never run out of ammo and damage types are selectable.

It can field a full 5 "battleship" class weapons (sentry drones usually) on down to light drones.

As such it can put out good damage, doesn't waste ammo room for it's primary weapons, can up and run if it needs to, leaving the drones if necessary - etc.

Up for nerfs? No. It's just a very flexible ship to use. The other HAC's are good too but many aren't quite as able to adapt as cleanly is all.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2011-10-17 11:39:26 UTC
What you're referring to is most likely its ability to withstand some pretty insane punishment in missions and complexes.

It can do this for three reasons: because it is small (only a cruiser) in contexts that are balanced to beat the crap out of large ships; because it has pretty fancy T2 resists (as long as you fight Guristas or Serpentis); and because it can fit pretty much any kind of tank you'd like so you can match it perfectly to your needs.

You can relatively trivially passive-shield tank it to soak up some 1,500 DPS from kinetic/thermal-dealing rats, and due to its small size, even after all those shield extenders, that tank acts more like a 2,000 DPS tank when going up against with battleship-sized weaponry. You can also active-shield or armour tank it to maybe half that, but instead run around like your hair is on fire and speed-tank everything, which once again pushes the effective number well above a thousand raw DPS.

As an added bonus, it can field several flights of sentries and heavies — anti-BS weapons that are usually only found on other battleships. At the same time, this is its main downside: it is utterly useless without its drones. If it find itself in a situation where drones can't be used (because they die or because they draw unwanted/uncontrollable aggro or because you need to move around a lot) then it very quickly loses its usefulness.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-10-17 12:57:01 UTC
And - it has some very tight fitting constraints, in particular with regards CPU which forces you to make some hard choices when setting it up.

The other beautiful thing about it - it's not overshadowed by T3 cruisers (unlike many HACs) because there is no T3 which can field a full flight of heavies or sentries (whether this is a good thing for the ishtar, or a nerf for the proteus is another discussion)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2011-10-17 15:19:28 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
And - it has some very tight fitting constraints, in particular with regards CPU which forces you to make some hard choices when setting it up.
That too. I tend to approach that bit from the perspective of “I get a free Drone Link — how do I best make use of it?“, because that's another thing the Ishtar gets and which you therefore shouldn't waste precious CPU on.

So when I fit my Ishtars, if I can't make use of that bonus, I feel I have wasted fitting space on the ship, much like if I had some other ship that I fitted a DLA on and then never used it.