Player Features and Ideas Discussion

From what CCP have mentioned, the defender missiles use quite a bit of server power to use, and so I don't think they're ever going to be all that useful, even if fixed. Shooting a missile to intercept another missile isn't the best way to counter that weapon system anyway, especially in an era of plentiful laser power. Also, there was that tracking disruptor modification that was going to allow it to deal with missiles that got delayed - I think there might be a better way to do it.

How about a new midslot defensive module that's basically like the target painter, but automatically shoots incoming missiles. It's 100% accurate, and would have a range of like, 10-15km max (it's a point defence laser). It'd need two shots to kill a torpedo or cruise missile of course. The firing rate wouldn't be too high, so that it'd probably only shoot 1 or perhaps two missiles per incoming volley, but it'd have the benefits of;
a) actually being useful
b) taking up a defensive slot instead of an offensive slot
c) ease server load by not having to calculate missile to missile interception.
b) keeps tracking disruptors for turrets only, and adds an extra defensive module option for setups.

Something to consider.

dont go by the spreed sheet the whole thing is wrong or what fossie is saying on the forums is wrong one of the 2 example 215 dose not translate into 240 with a 72% increase its 365 so please fossie fix one of them so it actualy adds up.

while im on numbers ill run this past yah providing the old values are correct.

base flight of new heavy furys will be 22 k

as said above exp radius will be 365

so given a 365 explosive radius even with 25% reduction for skills makes an explosive radius of 273 thats over double what a criuser is and even larger than what a bc is.

but it gets worse the base dmg of new furys is assumeing the sheet is correct in the base dmg of furrys was 192 is 259 now lets look at something like the caracal without skills 5 launchers.

a totaly of 1.3k volley say now assumeing even the 273 explosive radius with skills only 388 of that after exp radius and 40% resists is factored in is actualy applied as dmg. and thats on a statoinary target. i rest my case on this the dmg from t1s is gonna either be lower than this albe it prolly not by much or much higher.

ok if thats the case fossie can you confirm or denie this please so i can crunch the numbers more accurately ? is t2 furry values be bassed of the revised t1 values ?

ok if thats the case then furys are still perfectly viable the ranges still suck badly though

How do you think turrets work?

The SR T2 AMMO has tracking and range penaties, as well a cap consumption increase ( where applicable).

I have to say i'm very disappointed in the Nerf coming to the cane. The cane is by far the best Buffer armor boat for its class and this Nerf will be dramatically changing the way i fly the cane. I personally run 2x rolled 1600 plates in the lows and full rack of t2 duel 180 autos and 2 small nuets in the high slots. This fit will be 100% impossible to run now due to the PG change being made.

Just b/c a boat has a ton of left over PG when flown as a shield boat instead of an armor boat doesn't mean it should get a Nerf. I don't think ur taking into consideration the armor side of the cane in terms of running it as a solo pvp boat. 1 1600 plate is not enough buffer to take gate fire when in low sec and still secure a kill or 2 when u have 2-3 people beating on you. I have tried it with an alt, It failed miserably.


http://i.imgur.com/BDwen.png The hurricane fit in EFT with my Alts skills who flys it. Dps goes up dramatically with T2 and faction ammo, but that's not why i showed the fit. I showed the fit to show that the armor aspect of the cane is pretty much gone. When tried to fly it solo. This is just my opinion and i'm sure ppl will argue u don't need 2x plates, but this is my personal preference.


Also This is best fit for fighting a myrm that is running that new Active shifting armor Mod b/c u need the endurance to get him capped out to kill him other wise u don't have a chance in the world at killing him.

And your making torps even worse? Giving cruise a slight dps/application buff in exchange for cutting their range nearly in half?
Hams hams are getting the same treatment as torps slight dps buff but less range and will find it harder to aply that dps so overall worse too

I'm trying to resist going all emo here but really what do you have against caldari ships?

Torps are only viable on one very expensive ship (in terms of Isk and sp), now they are going to need 3 painters to even hit a BS for full dps and will have even less range. please tell me thats not your full plan for the system.
I'm disregarding stealth bombers as they are a very specialised ship and from what I know work quite well

My plan was to adapt or die by skilling into larger hulls but not sure thats going to be worth it now, Ill just have to bight the bullet and cross train.

..... ok came back to this post after I calmed down a bit. Cruise, hmm well no one ever uses the range of cruise anyway so ok cut the range but hits harder ok I get it...

but hams and torps getting less range? come on its madness that a BS class weapon has cruiser range any way and they are both getting cut? Can you please tell us why you think that is a good idea? Also has it been decided yet if HAMs are going to be kinder on grid? in line with other short range systems

you realize turrets get a bonus to optimal range and one to falloff, right? So 2 skills ... ( Missiles get also 2 skills, one for velocity and one for flight time, which both add up together to missile optimal. If it was me, I would adjust this all, also the % per level. )

And you do realize a missile cant reach out as far as turret does, due to this falloff?

Apart from that, do you realise missiles get 2 skills for RoF and damage (apart from the basic skill) with *less* bonus than turrets do? For missiles its 3% RoF and 2% damage per level (Rapid Fire and Missile Bombardment), for turrets its 4% RoF and 3% damage per level ... why? That adds up to 2 times 5% at level 5 ...

I said it again and again, looking at just 1 number or stat is not what will give you a perfect image of whats really happening.

In game there is no Drake-OPness. In fact in all PvP but nullsec the Drake is NOT the most common BC, and in Highsec its only used because its admitted the easiest start into l4s (skillwise).

In my book this game has to be changed in so many aspects to make it balanced again, and I can agree on there are things also a bit out of line with HML (too easy to use in PvE vs med turrets lr which makes the other 3 t3s worse in missions), but assuming we balance around PvP (which is how nearly every one set right wants it to be done) there are more urgent things than Drakes and HML. If this nerf is needed, do it. But if afterwards there will be no long range PvP at all for missile users and most probably also no missile PvP for Caldari with any other ship than frig class or maybe a HAM-Tengu (not sure about this) then this would be not balance but more injustice and less chance for variance than now.

-75% range
+25% cap
0.75% tracking "multiplier"........0.1x.75 is 0.75.....its a penalty

Well let us face it: caldari are completely f....
Probably because they were slightly competitive to winmatar which still will be winmatar after the balance is done so far as I saw the new overkill rupture.

I mean: Cadari BS are completely useless in PVP, so you only had drake and Tengu. Now the drake and Tengu willbe crap and the caldari have.... erm? Nothing? LOL.
And let us face it: Versus the Hurricane the drake had alredy its problems.
Drake will be the new Maller: BAIT.
ROFL.
So: I suppose some Minnies whined about that their Winmatar status could be eaten by caldari so they nerfed caldari completely.
I wonder why everbody speaks about nerfing the Tengu when the Loki is a far more dangerous PVP ship?
Loki would need a far heavier nerf.
But oh sorry..... Winmatar. LOL.

The nerf of hm is really too much and ham neeed more buff than this 10% less powergrid. training time for using HAM good is awsome because you really need missile bombardment and missile projection at 5. And even then your range is crap.
I mean: WHY do minmatar medium turrets kill frigs like flies? No other medium weapon can kill frigs AND cruisers like hell and additionally without cap need and damage type choosing?

Another question: What is with the rapid light missile launcher? It seems CCP has completely forgotten it.