Intergalactic Summit

You are coming dangerously close to blasphemy, Captain. Great numbers of Kingdom and Empire citizens will tune you out when you finally cross that line. Also, your sarcasm does little to help your argument.

If you really feel that you can effect change in a foreign government, you're welcome to try. Revolutionaries throughout history have attempted the same thing. Just remember that there is a fine line separating 'revolutionary' and 'fanatic'.

To address your point:

It could be argued that everyone is a 'slave' to their beliefs -- though, I think it's slightly disingenuous to try and trade one definition of 'slave' for another. Nor will I attempt to quote Scripture to prove my point; a wise person once said 'If you have faith, no explanation is necessary, and if you don't have it, no explanation is sufficient'.

I will, however, offer an opporttunity:

Come to the Corvidae Club and see for yourself how I treat my slaves. Captain Thagriin, this is an invitation for you, as well. Contrary to the rhetoric you espouse, nothing about my slaves' treatment is 'inhuman'. They are fed, clothed, sheltered (adequately, I might add, and with full attention to their personal hygiene) and educated.

I cannot speak for the vast majority of other Holders -- it is not my place to question how another person runs his or her household -- but I protect my slaves from exploitation and abuse. I do not use Vitoxin, I don't abuse my slaves, and I certainly do not subject them to the indignity of sexual servitude.

If you want to work for reforms and help us weed out those Holders that do all of those things, then I will support you. If you intend simply to mock those of us that follow the Scriptures as written, then I daresay that you are wasting your time.

Captain Mai,

As I hope I have clearly communicated earlier, I have a deep respect for the Amarrian and Khanid ways of life, which is why I find it greatly frustrating that every time one of you gets in an argument with your Matari opponents, you always seem to turn to smearing us with this old, ridiculous accusation. I find it as incorrect as I find it insulting. However, you seem to actually believe it. So let me tell you something.

With the possible exception of Sansha's Nation, the only culture the Federation threatens to destroy is the Gallentean one. Our culture has been hollowed out and corroded to the point where many people don't even know what the word Gallente means anymore. Our history and collective identity have been reduced to nothing more than a glossy peg on the wall that anybody with a citizenship can hang their coat on.

The Intaki and Jin Mei cultures are alive, well and vibrant, as is the culture of Matari migrants. This is largely because it's not generally regarded as appropriate behavior for people to slither around claiming to belong to any of these cultures without that actually being the case. In our case, the situation is completely reversed. Any ethnic opportunist is free to self-identify as Gallente, no questions asked. They don't even have to speak our language! And if anyone does ask those questions, you won't believe the social fallout that causes.

My people are not a cultural predator. To the contrary, we are a fading and heart-breakingly naive culture, lumbering under the weight of a host of parasites from every corner of the cluster. So please, Captain Mai, with all due respect, stop using us as a cheap and inaccurate rhetorical tool in arguments that don't even involve us. And while you are at it, please stop talking about the Federation as though it somehow represents Gallentean culture. It most certainly does not.

Intaki are not Gallente. Mannar are not Gallente. Jin Mei are not Gallente. Caldari expats are not Gallente. Minmatar are not Gallente. No matter how they present themselves, no matter what their papers say. They have never been Gallente, and they will never be Gallente. Not in the past, not now, not ever.

Thanks for taking on Pilot Mai for her blatantly false statement regarding the Federation. I must, however, take exception to your assertion that only ethnic Gallente can be considered Gallente.

Is it only DNA that makes one Gallente? I think not.

My adoptive parents were both born and raised on Luminaire as were their parents, their parents' parents and so on going back countless generations. I was raised, educated and culturally indoctrinated in the same manner as they were. I speak fluent Gallentean as it was the language I grew up with and the only one I knew prior to adulthood and relocating to the Republic. My tastes, values, philosophy, etc are all a product of growing up near Caille, the cultural center of the Federation. I dare say that I'm as Gallentean as you. My parents deliberately never told me that I was adopted as they wanted me to fully integrate into the greater Federal society. I greatly resented them for this for a long time but, I've since made my peace with them and understand why they chose the direction for me that they did. I think I'm a better person overall for "having a foot" in two cultures (although it has been quite a difficult learning to integrate both "sides" of my heritage so far).

The only thing that separates the two of us is genetic material, pilot. In all other respects I feel that I'm as Gallentean as you are.

Perhaps you're correct that Intaki, Mannar, Jin Mei, ex pat Matari, etc are not "Gallente". We're damned sure all Federal citizens though, and we make the Federation stronger by our presence.

I... Something about this reply is so heartfelt that I'm wondering if I spent two years in the Federation without actually seeing it at all. I'm also reminded of all the times I haughtily reminded people who spoke as if everyone attached to the Amarrian Empire is culturally indistinct from the True Amarr that, at the very least, the Khanid and Ni-Kunni are entirely distinct in a cultural sense.

I apologise Emile, you are right that you've been nothing but a friend and supportive and my attack on the Gallente Federation is a poor way to repay your sense of humour and your forthright demeanour. Nothing about this argument is worth the tone of betrayal I read in your words. I withdraw.

As you have asked questions of my statements in your last communication I will continue to reply here to them, nothing to hide from me.



By "your kind" I'm referring to slavers and the majority of Amarrians that facilitate slavery in all its forms.



I've made no implication to you or your Family on how you use your subjugated. I've not assumed anywhere in any of our previous communications that your subjugated are 'sex toys' or that you run a brothel. I have little or no interest what tasks your subjugated perform as anything they do, sexual or otherwise, is immaterial to the fact they are slaves, which is the whole point. If you insist on reading between the lines of what I say then clearly this is your issue not mine.

I'll stay proud having my preconceptions challenged in this public arena if that OK with you.



See previous point RE: Brothel.

As for blasphemy, they are your beliefs not mine therefore I can't accept the statement.

Yes I 100% advocate insurrection against your Government and Kingdom, change needs to happen, revolution and insurrection are valid routes to that change.

Meiyi.

As Astroyka has already said, There are reasons we would not choose to visit your establishment.
Since you seem to need them spelled out to you, I will explain my own here. Do not feel obligated to respond.

The only way I would personally visit the establishment in which you keep my kin enslaved would be with enough troops and firepower to ensure their freedom. your constant argument that while you are a holder, and one who refuses to challenge others for abhorrent behaviour, you're a 'nice one' is enough for me to honestly wish you were there, and in person, when we arrived.

As for my point on the theology council's interpretation of scripture, I had that bile shoved down my throat for enough years to know full well that the words SLAVE or VITOXIN do not appear anywhere within that collection of lavatory paper you refer to as scripture.

My reasons for hating your people are simple.
My father was beaten to death while my entire family were forced to watch for refusing your god
My younger brothers were slowly poisoned mining fuel for your empire's fleets.
My sister spent 5 years in the breeding pits, the 6 children she had during that time taken from her at birth before she was forced to bear another. Then she was discarded like waste meat when she could no longer bear children.
Finally, my mother, died from Vitoxin poisoning.

All these things were done because of the beliefs you refuse to challenge.
All these things were done by the people you defend.
These are the reasons no slaveholder can be treated as a human. Not until they stop treating people as nothing more than property.

Thankyou Astroyka.

Adopted children are a special case, I admit. I will accept that a child raised by Gallente parents according to Gallente tradition and knowing nothing else is, his- or herself, Gallente.

Still, I notice with interest what you say about your initial resentment of your adoptive parents upon learning the truth, your decision to emigrate and your professed desire to have a foot inside both cultures. It tells an important story. If you truly believed genetics to be unimportant, there would be no reason for you to seek back toward your genetic roots, would there?

Blood calls to blood, and it always will. You may be entirely correct that only genetics separate the two of us, but as your own words demonstrate, that alone is no small thing.

Let's not hide the truth in our hearts, Captain: it's not about 'firepower'. You just don't want to be embarrassed if you see something that might force you to admit that you're in error.

My issue is not with the simplicity or clarity of your statements, it is with their accuracy.

I am not a Holder. I often speak out against those who treat their Slaves abhorrently. I believe that people can be Slaves, but I don't believe that the condition of Slavery negates their Humanity.

You are in the frequent habit of stating your opinions as if they are facts. This leaves me with little to do other than point out that this is what you are doing and point out that my opinions differ. I believe I have already pointed out that insulting the Empire and Kingdom and telling them that they are evil and wrong is NOT going to achieve the emancipation of a single slave.

I have also pointed out that attempting to do so by force tends to lead to the deaths of more of the rescuers than it frees Slaves.

So, why don't you accept the truths that I have given you here and go back to the drawing board. It's harder than saying "Rarr. Slaver bad." but it might actually lead to some new insight that will solve the problem. Rather than make it worse, which is what any attempt to raze a peaceful Ranch dirtside on the Capitol world of the Kingdom will do, assuming you manage to devise a plan and train a force that will lead to anything other than you becoming orbitting debris.

Now, I don't WANT to dislike you, but your posts are starting to resemble the barkings of a junkyard Slaver Hound. The repetitive, ceaseless, senseless, fury is starting to drown out any sense that you might be speaking. What exactly is the point of your posts again? It hasn't attracted the sympathy and support of an uncaring Cluster - because Slavery is a state that exists in every faction throughout New Eden. Clearly you aren't talking to the Khanid and Amarrians who have responded, because you're not actually engaging us in discussion, simply giving a speech.

Did you really go through reliving the pain of your childhood simply in order to shout at strangers?