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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#381 - 2012-09-29 02:28:29 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

Touval Lysander wrote:
With this - I will be the FIRST to put up a tower - I'll even tell you where it is - When I die, I'll put up another one.

Just gimme the km's so I can check if you're on it. Cool

What's stopping you from putting up a tower, today?

lowsec pirates might actually fight him for what he owns

thus, nullsec, lowsec and especially w-space must be FUBARd up so one guy can anchor a tower in 0.4 molden heath or whatever until he goes to bed before without his tower in 'defensive mode' and some roaming test pilot in an oracle melts his pos down while he sleeps.

and if da man stupid enough not to flip the switch. bad luck.

but it'd be funny if Mr. Test Oracle tried and somebody had flipped the switch.

Dead Test Best Test.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Ghazu
#382 - 2012-09-29 05:05:58 UTC
Why do you need that switch, just build your poses deathstar style from the start.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984

Borisk Zeltsh
Alcohlics Anonymous
#383 - 2012-10-03 01:24:14 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
so nurf the majorty to suite the minorty??

A very large portion of the characters in hisec are alts of nullsec.



Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
lo-sec best sec

Whatever stirs your sausage. vOv



you could say a large portion of charaters in 0.0 are alts of empire players you see works both ways


Nope, as you can see most hisec characters are in lol 5 alt corps.



And whos to say the 5 man corp isnt theyer main corp and the 200 man 0.0 corp they have 0.0 alt in isnt just for lulz
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#384 - 2012-10-03 01:28:58 UTC
Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
And whos to say the 5 man corp isnt theyer main corp and the 200 man 0.0 corp they have 0.0 alt in isnt just for lulz

Likelihood: low.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Borisk Zeltsh
Alcohlics Anonymous
#385 - 2012-10-03 05:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Borisk Zeltsh
Lord Zim wrote:
Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
And whos to say the 5 man corp isnt theyer main corp and the 200 man 0.0 corp they have 0.0 alt in isnt just for lulz

Likelihood: low.



So you asume any proof of this statment or is it just a gues?


I know many who do i used to myself now i stay losec 0.0 is so 2006
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#386 - 2012-10-03 05:29:40 UTC
Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
And whos to say the 5 man corp isnt theyer main corp and the 200 man 0.0 corp they have 0.0 alt in isnt just for lulz

Likelihood: low.



So you asume any proof of this statment or is it just a gues?


I know many who do i used to myself now i stay losec 0.0 is so 2006

0.0 is not just from a different era, it may as well be a different game.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#387 - 2012-10-03 09:19:32 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Borisk Zeltsh wrote:
And whos to say the 5 man corp isnt theyer main corp and the 200 man 0.0 corp they have 0.0 alt in isnt just for lulz

Likelihood: low.



So you asume any proof of this statment or is it just a gues?


I know many who do i used to myself now i stay losec 0.0 is so 2006

0.0 is not just from a different era, it may as well be a different game.

That's what I'm talking about.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#388 - 2012-10-03 12:34:34 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:

But I don't want to. I just wanna use the space you are NOT using.


No, you don't.

You only think you do because you have never tried.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#389 - 2012-10-03 12:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Touval Lysander wrote:
and if da man stupid enough not to flip the switch. bad luck.


All hail swith flipper alts everywhere. Sure, that adds so much to the game.
Also it's worth noting that "sitting there for making profits" argument should be taken with consideration. Actuvely playing production minigames with internet spaceships is fine, but there's no point in sitting there doing nothing just to be able to pull switch in time. If there's no minigames and spaceships involved, then there are 2 solutions: either automate it (production queues, skill traning) or remake them into active endevaours (mysterious Ring Mining idea? on-grid gameplay for boosting characters?). Your suggestion of sitting on switch would be bad even if it was solving anything - it's videogame we are talking about, not porter simulation ffs.

Also your argument revolves around the fact that one man alone should be able to flip a bird to conglomeration of hundreds of people (even if "going down in a blaze of glory") and somehow you see that as being more "fair" than vica versa. I won't even comment on that. Apparently, the guy sitting in siege battleship or dreadnought among his peers is a mook and another guy who happen to sit on guns of his POS forever alone is friggin' hero? Derp, mass culture these days. Though as it comes from a guy who kicked many people out of lowsec alliance because that single guy didn't want to allow them to stay this way despite having success with this just because *he* want to go to null... It all suddenly makes sense.

Also you don't even consider what repercussions your defence buffing changes will have on wars between two even factions, when one can't push over another because of fortifications they all have. All warfare over static assets will devolve into two types: when large guy still overpowers small one and the "clash" between even parties that will turn into metagaming fest of getting within reach of another alliances' bad@$$ mode switches. Just cancerous.

Such fortification possibility will make people who have acces to space (being factual owners, regardless of lack or presence of sov mech) will fortify it with POSes and you may say bye-bye to all hopes of new people getting there without making deals with owners (the thing you are looking for, apparently). Think of it, if it should hurt 50 people (who already made great effort of estabilishing relationships with each other as opposed to throwing tantrums when their personal wishes should go away for the sake of common benefit) to bash a single guy who managed to set up a POS, how much it will hurt single guy to do the same against placeholder POSes (with no production capabilities, just with switch-pumped defenses) of an alliance with dozens of people eager to shoot him in the process.

You're not solving stated problem here, your idea only will make it worse, that's why people here don't buy your "your ideas are nice, but here's also mine" polemics.

On a related note, I see a lot of posts all over GD about how forever alone guys should be able to compete with "blobs", "big guys", whatever. Diminishing boosters for larger fleets, grid limitations for blues, all those things are suggested over and over again. Like, you know, "sanbox means that it's even playground for everyone" (forgetting about "all within the scale" part) and thus blob shouldn't choke my freedoms. Hell yeah. Those people apparently can't see hundreds of unique persons with their stories, agendas, plans and feelings, no worse than themselves, behind those squares in the blob. Who, you know, wonder too why the heck that lone square should make huge impact on their freedom.

That's why I meantioned mass culture above. People should really stop praising loners who turn against people, reasons and common sense. It's not hard to say "I" while staning in dramatic pose. But nooo, let's make it look like something unusual. And meanwhile it really hurts cultures where self-entitlement becomes prominent. And makes pearls like this thread happen as a consequence.