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Warp to Zero

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#81 - 2012-09-27 19:54:58 UTC
Its not about rewarding people who AFK, its about making auto pilot a bit better to make an alternative to constant clicking. You dont have to train the skill, but you can, if you use Auto pilot alot, and you can train it if you want to start using auto pilot. Even if people are afk when traveling it doesent matter, its just travel

o/

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-09-27 19:59:49 UTC
Actually, no, it's about telling you to deal with landing 15km off.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Devil Dodger
Black-Watch Corporation
Malicious Mineral Hounds
#83 - 2012-09-27 20:00:25 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Even if people are afk when traveling it doesent matter, its just travel


It matters to me and quite a few other people. I get a lot of my kills on autopiloting players. If what you propose were implemented suicide ganking would be made more difficult.

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#84 - 2012-09-27 20:05:14 UTC
You still will be able to get those kills, noobs who auto-pilot probably dont train the skill anyway, and there is still 5km to the gate even at level 5. But only pros will train it level 5, pros who you wouldnt be able to kill anyway. And if you really want to gank an auto-piloter but dont have the alpha to do it before he reaches the gate, just let him pass through and tackle him on the other side

o/

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-09-27 20:06:16 UTC
Nope. There'll be 15km, because this skill will never appear in the game. Ever.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#86 - 2012-09-28 01:57:33 UTC
Hi,

This is a discussion forum - if you like or dislike an idea, we're prefer that you post a constructive message why.

"Nope, won't happen"

Is not constructive.

"Nope it won't happen, because of the many thoughtful reasons that I about to list but I'm a member of CCL and totally unimaginative so please insert your own well worded and practical reasons why you think it should happen. No one reads this anyway. I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok. I autopilot all night and I pod all day. Is it me or does something smell of elderberries around here ? Why is October not the eigth month of the year ... And finally, here come the players."

Is constructive.

Please try and stay in the spirit of this sub forum; it's *totally* ok to disagree with an Idea - but please add some content as to why, otherwise you're helping no-one and just creating work for CCP and CCL.

Pro-tip: We don't like that sort of thing.

Thanks and fly safe!

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NiGhTTraX
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-09-28 02:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: NiGhTTraX
I don't get it. You first post a thread suggesting this skill [1], then you create this thread saying you heard about the 1st thread. Then you post a dead link to themittani.com. Soooo.... I don't see any evidence of this so called skill.

And are you even reading the feedback people are giving you? You seem to just ignore everything they say and go on with your "it is useful" point of view.

I call troll.

[1] https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157746

If you're gonna post here thinking your idea is the greatest thing since bacon and that it will save EVE and possibly all humankind with it, you're gonna have a bad time.

Souisa
Subhypersonics
#88 - 2012-09-28 17:38:24 UTC
Sorry :) I do try to respond to any criticism, but i generally ignore everything else

o/

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#89 - 2012-09-28 18:15:13 UTC
I understand you to be saying you are frustrated by the relative inefficiency of autopilot as compared to attended piloting, when considered across multiple systems.

Perhaps you are not AFK, but performing other tasks. I assume these tasks to not interfere with the travel of the ship, so this would limit the options of what you may be doing in a game context that would not be considered AFK.

To be precise, you cannot have the EVE client minimized or otherwise unavailable, since this effectively is the same as being AFK.

If you are on a second EVE client, you are effectively AFK to the first. You can hear sounds just as well from across the room as you can from a client not on top.

What is left for you to be doing with your client then? Browsing web pages with the in game browser, and chatting in channels.

Please help me understand why unattended play should benefit like this. Have no doubt that even if you are present chatting or using the browser, it is the significant group who are AFK that will also be rewarded, and the balances that have worked since attended piloting was changed will be undone.

I appreciate your interest in having the game play closer to your ideals, but you in exchange must accept that compromises need to exist, since your ideals are in obvious conflict with others.
Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#90 - 2012-10-02 11:51:12 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:

Please help me understand why unattended play should benefit like this. Have no doubt that even if you are present chatting or using the browser, it is the significant group who are AFK that will also be rewarded, and the balances that have worked since attended piloting was changed will be undone.

I appreciate your interest in having the game play closer to your ideals, but you in exchange must accept that compromises need to exist, since your ideals are in obvious conflict with others.


I don't understand how this is rewarding AFK play, manually flying is and would still be quicker and safer than auto piloting.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-10-02 12:30:07 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
I don't understand how this is rewarding AFK play, manually flying is and would still be quicker and safer than auto piloting.

This change would be rewarding AFK play, by making it less detrimental than today's system. I see absolutely no need for this.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#92 - 2012-10-02 15:39:26 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:

I don't understand how this is rewarding AFK play, manually flying is and would still be quicker and safer than auto piloting.

Before this change, if manually piloting gets you there in 10 minutes, autopiloting gets you there in an hour.
After this change, if manually piloting gets you there in 10 minutes, autopiloting gets you there in 25 minutes.

Therefore, the change is irrelevant to people who are at their keyboard. It helps people who do not favor manual interaction (aka AFK play). It also makes AFK play less undesirable by making its time penalty softer.

AFK play from farming, mining, botting, and other stuff is already one of the bigger problems with Eve's gameplay. We don't need to add autopiloting to that list.

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Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#93 - 2012-10-02 15:51:21 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:

I don't understand how this is rewarding AFK play, manually flying is and would still be quicker and safer than auto piloting.

Before this change, if manually piloting gets you there in 10 minutes, autopiloting gets you there in an hour.
After this change, if manually piloting gets you there in 10 minutes, autopiloting gets you there in 25 minutes.

Therefore, the change is irrelevant to people who are at their keyboard. It helps people who do not favor manual interaction (aka AFK play). It also makes AFK play less undesirable by making its time penalty softer.

AFK play from farming, mining, botting, and other stuff is already one of the bigger problems with Eve's gameplay. We don't need to add autopiloting to that list.


I'm sorry, but how much damage do you honestly think that would achieve? Keeping in mind it might add a false sense of security to those auto piloting.

Lord Zim wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:
I don't understand how this is rewarding AFK play, manually flying is and would still be quicker and safer than auto piloting.

This change would be rewarding AFK play, by making it less detrimental than today's system. I see absolutely no need for this.


You mean besides making travel less of a bore? Being able to do more faster?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-10-02 15:57:52 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
You mean besides making travel less of a bore? Being able to do more faster?

Want to do more? Travel manually. Want to be less bored? Autopilot and do something else. Moving resources is supposed to be an undertaking.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#95 - 2012-10-02 16:00:54 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Roderick Grey wrote:
I don't understand how this is rewarding AFK play, manually flying is and would still be quicker and safer than auto piloting.

This change would be rewarding AFK play, by making it less detrimental than today's system. I see absolutely no need for this.


You mean besides making travel less of a bore? Being able to do more faster?

Your premise of being able to do more faster, based off this idea, has you doing no piloting or other significant activity on the pilot flying. As he would be on autopilot, your activity level with him is effectively AFK.

To do more, would mean bypassing your idea to use hands on control rather than auto pilot.

And how would you know travel is a bore? You are the one arranging to remove all activity associated with piloting a ship in order to rely on automated piloting.

Travel is what you make of it.
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#96 - 2012-10-02 16:38:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
Tbh there is no reason this skill shouldnt be implemented because autopilot is useless atm. unless you are afk

o/

Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#97 - 2012-10-02 17:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Karloth Valois
Souisa wrote:
Tbh there is no reason this skill shouldnt be implemented because autopilot is useless atm. unless you are afk


exactly if your not afk you can push the buttons and fly faster anyway so why would you use the skill even at lvl 5 if your not afk and its faster to press one button every min or so and your there anyway?

Do you actually read what other people write? This thread is 5 pages of people telling you its a bad idea and why its a bad idea, yet you dont come back with a reason why its not, just that you want it that way. Honestly I call either troll or stupid

It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-10-02 17:49:06 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Tbh there is no reason this skill shouldnt be implemented because autopilot is useless atm. unless you are afk

There's no reason this skill should be implemented, because autopilot lets you do stuff while not playing. This doesn't mean it should be even remotely efficient.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Souisa
Subhypersonics
#99 - 2012-10-03 01:26:13 UTC
Karloth Valois wrote:
Souisa wrote:
Tbh there is no reason this skill shouldnt be implemented because autopilot is useless atm. unless you are afk


exactly if your not afk you can push the buttons and fly faster anyway so why would you use the skill even at lvl 5 if your not afk and its faster to press one button every min or so and your there anyway?

Do you actually read what other people write? This thread is 5 pages of people telling you its a bad idea and why its a bad idea, yet you dont come back with a reason why its not, just that you want it that way. Honestly I call either troll or stupid


Is the name calling really neccesary? :)

Tbh. autopilot sucks atm because its so slow, no-one would use it unless they are afk

o/

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-10-03 01:27:49 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Tbh. autopilot sucks atm because its so slow, no-one would use it unless they are afk

That's right, nobody uses it unless they're afk, because they use it so they can go afk.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat