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An Eve Memorial: The Ring of Fire

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Rixx Javix
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#141 - 2012-09-22 18:26:11 UTC
Sirinda wrote:
Loving the idea with the ring of fire system.

I'm torn on the proposed system name, TBH.

Basically, more people are going to die the longer Eve exists. It'd be too much to ask from CCP to add a new system for each and everyone.

Therefore I'd like to see a monument/system named in a way that everybody - young and old - can identify themselves with.

(And yes, I'd love the idea of everybody getting a star system named after themselves.)




We could call the system "Memoriam", it even sounds like a Eve system name.

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Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#142 - 2012-09-22 18:38:15 UTC
Rixx Javix wrote:
Sirinda wrote:
Loving the idea with the ring of fire system.

I'm torn on the proposed system name, TBH.

Basically, more people are going to die the longer Eve exists. It'd be too much to ask from CCP to add a new system for each and everyone.

Therefore I'd like to see a monument/system named in a way that everybody - young and old - can identify themselves with.

(And yes, I'd love the idea of everybody getting a star system named after themselves.)




We could call the system "Memoriam", it even sounds like a Eve system name.


Seeing as I found out earlier today that there's a system called 'Access', I can't help but agree.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#143 - 2012-09-22 21:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I was in Access yesterday on the way to see EVE gate.

I have seen one small secured container that was placed in memory of Vile Rat. Would be nice to see some big monument thing there too, when you read about eve gate closing it is obvious that something like that should be there. It was end to something but also a beginning of something else. For people to realize, not everything is lost.
Elmanketticks
In Fidem
Outsmarted
#144 - 2012-09-25 13:20:39 UTC
This is definately a great idea and would contribute a huge deal to the whole community! A place where someday pilgrims could travel to and stand still (e.g. orbit) in awe...

One question remains though: what would be the requirements for someone to 'get on the list of fire' ? Would CCP require the inheritor to send them a death certificate? Or would only people join the ring of fire when they passed away and newspapers reported it? Or would it need just a few players petitioning the RL-death of a fellow corpmate without any 'real' proof?

I'm just saying, CCP should beforehand eliminate all possibilites of abuse.

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Rixx Javix
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#145 - 2012-09-25 13:52:48 UTC
Elmanketticks wrote:
This is definately a great idea and would contribute a huge deal to the whole community! A place where someday pilgrims could travel to and stand still (e.g. orbit) in awe...

One question remains though: what would be the requirements for someone to 'get on the list of fire' ? Would CCP require the inheritor to send them a death certificate? Or would only people join the ring of fire when they passed away and newspapers reported it? Or would it need just a few players petitioning the RL-death of a fellow corpmate without any 'real' proof?

I'm just saying, CCP should beforehand eliminate all possibilites of abuse.



I think the general consensus at this point is that including names is far too complicated and time-consuming to implement in any reasonable, fair and equitable manner. So the concept has evolved to one of a "general" memorial to ALL those that have passed away and can no longer return to the game.

Which someday, if Eve survives, will include all of us.

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Aiden Mourn
Wrack and Ruin
#146 - 2012-09-25 16:56:04 UTC
Rixx Javix wrote:
Elmanketticks wrote:
This is definately a great idea and would contribute a huge deal to the whole community! A place where someday pilgrims could travel to and stand still (e.g. orbit) in awe...

One question remains though: what would be the requirements for someone to 'get on the list of fire' ? Would CCP require the inheritor to send them a death certificate? Or would only people join the ring of fire when they passed away and newspapers reported it? Or would it need just a few players petitioning the RL-death of a fellow corpmate without any 'real' proof?

I'm just saying, CCP should beforehand eliminate all possibilites of abuse.



I think the general consensus at this point is that including names is far too complicated and time-consuming to implement in any reasonable, fair and equitable manner. So the concept has evolved to one of a "general" memorial to ALL those that have passed away and can no longer return to the game.

Which someday, if Eve survives, will include all of us.



I'm actually in favor of including names; there's a certain poignancy to a monument that ties in the actual people beyond the general "people". Think the Vietnam Memorial vs Tomb of the Unknown Soldier; both extremely powerful, yet there's a hugely human element to the VM. I also can't see it taking much manpower or resources at all on CCPs part.

As for abuse, obviously this is Eve, and we all do our damndest to be the most cunning, ruthless, conniving little sh*tbags that we can be, but I don't think I see the point of "faking it" with something like this. What would the endgame be of that? "Hey dude, I pretended I'm dead!" "Uh....congrats?".

+1 for a great idea, and perhaps the most sobering Rixx comment ever?

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Agnar Volta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#147 - 2012-10-02 05:54:04 UTC
I just want to give my support.
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#148 - 2012-10-02 11:52:06 UTC
rixx, this is an excellent idea and i support it 100%. i truly hope ccp will consider making this happen.
Cephias Caine
State War Academy
Caldari State
#149 - 2012-10-02 18:25:36 UTC
Rixx you have my vote. for VR for Rags, for all our fallen brothers.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#150 - 2012-10-02 21:19:47 UTC
This is good, and should be done.

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Lorna Sicling
Eire Engineers
#151 - 2012-10-02 22:21:25 UTC
A truly inspired idea Rixx - you have my complete support for this. CCP - make it happen!

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Makeshift Storque
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2012-10-02 23:12:13 UTC
This is a shockingly cool idea - Yes, do it! JOVE AHOY!
Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#153 - 2012-10-03 01:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhavas
I support the idea of a general memorial like the one Rixx proposes (and I love the tagline).

So let's talk about the system location. Two locations I highly recommend.

  1. Seyllin, Essence. You want a ring of fire? Here's the place to put it. Seyllin I is the place where half a billion souls perished in one huge tragedy. It should have a memorial anyhow, why not this one? As reported in The Empyrean Age novel, the caches of Isogen-5 that destroyed the shattered planets were located at a place where the sun's corona formed a "ring of fire" around the planet. Sure, that one referred to T-IPZB, but Seyllin would be as appropriate. It could be to the dead in game and out. To boot, it's in Gallente low-sec, which is travellable with some risk from high-sec where most of the space-tourists will be anyhow.
  2. Ennur, Molden Heath. When I did a pre-release review of the new nebulae a year or so ago, I lamented the fact that while the nebulae were awesome, the long-noted phenomena were not obviously present. Specifically I said, "I want to sit at the edge of Golgothan Fields in Ennur looking out over the slowly turning vortex in Ginungagap." These places already exist as part of the lore and even the game map - there's your black hole. Make it visible. Make it spectacular. It's already an in-game place, let us see it and make it a memorial site. It's also at the opposite end of space from the EVE Gate, per Rixx's suggestion. It would be a bit more dangerous, but still quite reachable. We could also hook Rixx's proposed "Memoriam" system off of Ennur.

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Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
#154 - 2012-10-03 02:24:09 UTC
Rhavas wrote:
I support the idea of a general memorial like the one Rixx proposes (and I love the tagline).

So let's talk about the system location. Two locations I highly recommend.

  1. Seyllin, Essence. You want a ring of fire? Here's the place to put it. Seyllin I is the place where half a billion souls perished in one huge tragedy. It should have a memorial anyhow, why not this one? As reported in The Empyrean Age novel, the caches of Isogen-5 that destroyed the shattered planets were located at a place where the sun's corona formed a "ring of fire" around the planet. Sure, that one referred to T-IPZB, but Seyllin would be as appropriate. It could be to the dead in game and out. To boot, it's in Gallente low-sec, which is travellable with some risk from high-sec where most of the space-tourists will be anyhow.
  2. Ennur, Molden Heath. When I did a pre-release review of the new nebulae a year or so ago, I lamented the fact that while the nebulae were awesome, the long-noted phenomena were not obviously present. Specifically I said, "I want to sit at the edge of Golgothan Fields in Ennur looking out over the slowly turning vortex in Ginungagap." These places already exist as part of the lore and even the game map - there's your black hole. Make it visible. Make it spectacular. It's already an in-game place, let us see it and make it a memorial site. It's also at the opposite end of space from the EVE Gate, per Rixx's suggestion. It would be a bit more dangerous, but still quite reachable. We could also hook Rixx's proposed "Memoriam" system off of Ennur.


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Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#155 - 2012-10-03 03:30:54 UTC
Upon further review of the actual in-game objects, maybe Konora, Metropolis would be better than Ennur, Molden Heath.

Ginungagap:
Ginnungagap is a huge black hole at the edge of Minmatar space. It is the largest black hole close to civilized space. The black hole has already rendered several solar systems close to it uninhabitable, but otherwise it is not considered to pose any great risk to inhabited space for the foreseeable future. The black hole can be seen very clearly in the Konora system, located very close to it.

Point of No Return:
Point of no Return is a small black hole located not far from empire space. The black hole is rather old and was formed by a sun only just large enough to create a black hole when it collapsed. One interesting fact about it is that it's located more or less exactly in the center of the known world, if you only count those systems that have been linked with star gates.

Point of No Return is closer to Ennur and Skarkon in Molden Heath.

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Sheza Kewtee
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#156 - 2012-10-03 03:35:58 UTC
+1

An excellent idea whose time has come.

TY Rixx. Please make it so CCP.
Ellente Fervens
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-10-03 04:47:20 UTC
Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed.
Or did he just happen to be a prominent one?
This only encourages martyrs.
This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events.
Not supported.
Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#158 - 2012-10-03 04:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Ellente Fervens wrote:
Cause VR was the first Eve player to be killed.
Or did he just happen to be a prominent one?
This only encourages martyrs.
This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events.
Not supported.
Please do not go geo-political in Eve CCP.

It's OK that you question the legitimacy of a memorial. That's not in bad taste.

However, I'm uncertain you can provide any evidence of any kind whatsoever to support any of your actual statements here, beyond "Not supported."

"This only encourages martyrs." Prove it.

"This does nothing to encourage reflection on the causes of those losses or events." You know, except comemorate them. Roll

Then you go on to ask CCP not to go geo-political in Eve. OK fine, I'll bite.

A human being who played this game was literally killed in the line of duty. There is nothing whatsoever "geo-political" about that.

Just about everyone, everywhere, understands the concept of "killed in the line of duty." It goes beyond culture. It is not geo-political, it is anthropological by its very nature.

I am sorry you don't support the idea of a monument of some type. At least try to present facts if you plan to explain your reasons with expository statements, though.

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Stinky Two Fingers
Doomheim
#159 - 2012-10-03 16:52:23 UTC
I approve the concept of an in game memorial to all fallen players. I feel it would be a powerful testament to the strength and the depth of our community. It could easily be done in a manner that does not apply greater importance to any one player over another.

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Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#160 - 2012-10-03 17:04:13 UTC
I like the idea. It would be cool to have a place like this in the universe. Where any pilot regardless of race, status etc could go and visit peacefully.