EVE General Discussion

Fixed. Carry on.

By the way, forcing miners to D-scan through hundreds of pilots in a system is essentially the same as you having to sort through who's hunting you as well. Don't like it? Then follow the advice you give to miners: Find quieter systems to do your business in. Stay alert. Dock the first sign of trouble. Stay aligned. Add the boogymen to your contacts list. Get friends to protect you. Don't fly ships you can't afford to lose. Fight. Yadda yadda yadda.

1) This is speculation about something CCP is actually doing, not something being suggested.
2) Your post had terrible grammar, solved a different and much less important problem, and wasn't even a particularly good solution.

Less important problem? What problem solved this solution, if not exploit with jump-clone? This is the only reason, why developers made changes to bounty system, as i see..

Except yes. Watch out for HACs, HICs, fast ships, ships normally flown by PVPers. You yourself should fly in fast ships. Being this is a PVP game be ready to PVP at a moment's notice. Don't fly ships you can't afford to lose. Learn who the bounty hunters are and add them to your contacts list. Fly with friends. The sooner you realize hi sec isn't safe the better. Also, stay aligned. Stay away from congested systems.

Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button.


Same for the killrights victim. Be on the lookout for well-known and established bounty hunters. And remember that you are not meant to be 100% safe, even in hi sec.

Most importantly, remember that you choose to generate a killright. You choose to undock. You choose to fly to congested systems where you may be ambushed. You choose what ships to fly. Don't like the heat, then stay out of the kitchen... Or docked. And stop generating killrights if you don't like the consequences.

This is how I view it:

If I go to high sec & gank a miner/freighter just for the fun of it, then that miner/freighter can sell the kill right on me to a bounty hunter.

I am okay at NOT knowing the bounty hunter that can come after me & has rights to kill me.

I believe that if I do something that is illegal, then I assume the responsibility for it.

If this is the way it works then I think bounty hunting will be the new FOTM.

And this would probably slow down the ganking, which in turn will make high sec safer for the carebears.

Bounty hunting won't change much about the game if it DOESNT have anything to do with kill rights, to be fair. Otherwise, if you go into lowsec, the pirates will try to kill you anyways. They don't need to be paid to do that. And in highsec, players would likely be restricted by the same thing they are today - The almighty CONCORDOKKEN. Therefore, the bounty would have to be pretty substantial in order to justify suiciding their ship to claim it. Seeing as how many have pointed out that incremental bounty payouts would need to be less than the value of the ship destroyed in order to avoid exploitation, this means you would only see bounties claimed if you can suicide with a weaker ship to kill a larger ship, and even than you might only break even after the formula crunches it all out.

NOW - if you can sell a killright from someone who ganked you to another player, and THEY can claim that killright by firing upon the criminal offender without CONCORD interference - this opens up a whole bunch of PvP opportunities in highsec.

But besides all the logic that explains why these two systems should go hand-in-hand, there's always the matter of all the players that talked to the devs at the recent press events and specifically reported the developers talking about sellable killrights being a component of the planned overhaul.

So yeah, I don't think threads like this are pointless at all. CCP may not have posted details yet to the public in an official thread or dev blog, but that doesn't mean the players shouldn't be sharing ideas and brainstorming - conversations like the ones that have taken place the last few pages very closely mirror the conversations we've had internally with CCP and so I'm very much interested in your perspectives and feedback.

If anyone's thinking that bounty hunting will stop ganking, then they're deluding themselves. Low SP destroyer alts are pretty much unaffected, for instance.

The players who will be affected are high-SP professional gankers, who will become the target of high-SP professional bounty hunters. Apparently some people think this is abloobloobloo unfair.

I didn't say stop ganking, I said slow down ganking.

If sellable kill rights do happen & you do not know who has them, then I bet the high SP alts will slow down on the ganking.

Then people will use low SP alts and..

Those high SP Bounty Hunters would love eating up those low SP alt destroyers one after the other.

Why is this scenario incompatible with the ability to sell / transfer kill rights?

I hope any new bounty system would allow me to set up this:

5 billion ISK pool
Paid out at 5% of hull value destroyed.
Paid for destroying any ship flown by a person with a sec status under -5 and not a member of corp qqqq.
Paid to anyone with a sec status over +2 but not members of alliance gggg, or I have set to standings of -5 or less.

Where all the numbers are values I get to set.

Also I should be able to specify who is the target by pilot, ship type, corp, alliance, standings, as well as sec status. I should have an "allowed" list and an "excluded" list. Valid targets are those on the allowed list, but not on the excluded list.

I should be able to set who can collect the bounty by pilot, corp, alliance, standings, as well as sec status. I should have an "allowed" list and an "excluded" list. Valid bounty hunters are those on the allowed list, but not on the excluded list.

For a player in space, all they would do is select a ship and look a the selected item window to see what bounty they would get.