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The Great Null Sec Push
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Kaethe Kollwitz
#1 - 2011-10-17 09:32:31 UTC
1. WH nerf
2. Hi sec war nerf
3. Hi sec incursion nerf

It all points the same way, the long awaited 'push' to get players into null sec is in action.

Is it a coincidence that the CSM is primarily composed of null sec alliances at this point in time?
here are extracts from a high level conversation:

"damn, we dont have enough noobs to shoot here in null sec, what should we do?"
"lets convince CCP that null sec is the future of the game and encourage them to hit hi sec with the nerf bat"
"hey great idea, im on it"

In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

post incarna, post Aurum, post 10k average players logged in drop - this is the time to make the push is it?

For anyone out there wanting to run a sucessful MMO, start one up now, and whenever CCP do something do THE EXACT OPPOSITE! You will be millionaires in no time.

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Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-17 09:33:53 UTC
Kaethe Kollwitz wrote:
In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

In all seriousness the answer is yes.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2011-10-17 09:34:42 UTC
I take it you lack a spine.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#4 - 2011-10-17 09:42:02 UTC
Huh?!?! HiSec is Boring :S

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Kaethe Kollwitz
#5 - 2011-10-17 09:43:13 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Kaethe Kollwitz wrote:
In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

In all seriousness the answer is yes.


point proven?

spine = yes, ability to be a peon = no

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Just Another Toon
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-17 09:45:27 UTC
Kaethe Kollwitz wrote:
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Kaethe Kollwitz wrote:
In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

In all seriousness the answer is yes.


point proven?

spine = yes, ability to be a peon = no


and where will all these noobs go? oh yes Goons... smells fishy to me...
pussnheels
Viziam
#7 - 2011-10-17 09:46:17 UTC
and lose 75% of the players i don't think so

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
The Apostle
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-10-17 09:48:34 UTC
Kaethe Kollwitz wrote:
1. WH nerf
2. Hi sec war nerf
3. Hi sec incursion nerf

It all points the same way, the long awaited 'push' to get players into null sec is in action.

Is it a coincidence that the CSM is primarily composed of null sec alliances at this point in time?
here are extracts from a high level conversation:

"damn, we dont have enough noobs to shoot here in null sec, what should we do?"
"lets convince CCP that null sec is the future of the game and encourage them to hit hi sec with the nerf bat"
"hey great idea, im on it"

In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

post incarna, post Aurum, post 10k average players logged in drop - this is the time to make the push is it?

For anyone out there wanting to run a sucessful MMO, start one up now, and whenever CCP do something do THE EXACT OPPOSITE! You will be millionaires in no time.

Taking bias out of the question you've got an interesting point here.

But only CCP has the numbers to determine how many are in highsec and would leave for "better pastures" versus how many are in highsec and would simply quit.

I feel the latter is getting very, very real for many. It's 2011 and Eve is a different place to 2003. A few too many fail to realise it, including CCP imho.

At their peril.

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Adunh Slavy
#9 - 2011-10-17 09:55:25 UTC
There has always been a push to 0.0.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Generals4
#10 - 2011-10-17 09:57:09 UTC
And i who thought the sec status of WH's was 0.0 (well nowadays -1.0) as well.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
The Apostle
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-17 09:57:19 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
There has always been a push to 0.0.

So why isn't it happening?

It's one thing for some to say where people "should" be. If it's not happening now, using a big stick ain't gonna make it happen either.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2011-10-17 09:58:30 UTC
Kaethe Kollwitz wrote:
1. WH nerf
2. Hi sec war nerf
3. Hi sec incursion nerf

It all points the same way, the long awaited 'push' to get players into null sec is in action.

Is it a coincidence that the CSM is primarily composed of null sec alliances at this point in time?
here are extracts from a high level conversation:

"damn, we dont have enough noobs to shoot here in null sec, what should we do?"
"lets convince CCP that null sec is the future of the game and encourage them to hit hi sec with the nerf bat"
"hey great idea, im on it"

In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

post incarna, post Aurum, post 10k average players logged in drop - this is the time to make the push is it?

For anyone out there wanting to run a sucessful MMO, start one up now, and whenever CCP do something do THE EXACT OPPOSITE! You will be millionaires in no time.


Seems like you're forgetting to mention a few nullsec nerfs there, bro.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kaethe Kollwitz
#13 - 2011-10-17 10:01:33 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
And i who thought the sec status of WH's was 0.0 (well nowadays -1.0) as well.


true. However a nerf to class 1 & 2 WHs is an indirect nerf to hi sec. The result is the same as the other points.

Malcanis "bro" there have been a few null nerfs this is true. Perhaps I am wrong, maybe the aim is to push people out of game altogether?

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-10-17 10:03:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kaethe Kollwitz wrote:
1. WH nerf
2. Hi sec war nerf
3. Hi sec incursion nerf

It all points the same way, the long awaited 'push' to get players into null sec is in action.

Is it a coincidence that the CSM is primarily composed of null sec alliances at this point in time?
here are extracts from a high level conversation:

"damn, we dont have enough noobs to shoot here in null sec, what should we do?"
"lets convince CCP that null sec is the future of the game and encourage them to hit hi sec with the nerf bat"
"hey great idea, im on it"

In all seriousness can I ask, is this REALLY the time to be doing this?

post incarna, post Aurum, post 10k average players logged in drop - this is the time to make the push is it?

For anyone out there wanting to run a sucessful MMO, start one up now, and whenever CCP do something do THE EXACT OPPOSITE! You will be millionaires in no time.


Seems like you're forgetting to mention a few nullsec nerfs there, bro.

And a bloody good point that is too. First the Sanctums. Then the JB's.

Now caps and moons.

Yep. Nerfville. We WANT you in 0.0 but make it almost pointless. Now we'll make highsec pointless so you go to null then when you're too big and too powerful we'll nerf null... ad infinitum.....

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Kaethe Kollwitz
#15 - 2011-10-17 10:12:24 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

First the Sanctums. Then the JB's.

Now caps and moons.


In fairness whilst i respect your opinion it must be said that 3 of the 4 you mention here are real issues - especially when compared to the ones mentioned in the OP that simply pale by comparison.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-17 10:18:27 UTC

Well, the Goons want to ruin the game.

They already infiltrated CCP.
And there's no reason to believe there won't come even more.

Just because some unshaved asshat says they want to destroy YOUR game and not THE game, (fanfest quote)
doesn't mean he's telling the truth. Some need to realize that people talk crap all day long
and just because they seem legit, there's no reason to believe any word they say.
That sucker now sits at CCP (Sreegs ?) and he's a Goon.

People believing "but he quit the goons, he's no goon anymore" need to get their face kicked with reason.


It actually makes sense, we just need to wait and see.


Unless there is some higher plot going on,
like CCP and the Kitten figuring all this out behind closed doors (ice interdiction) ...


I'd bet for the Goons to actually ruin it, just because they can.
I wish for the opposite, though. :)


... well ... we'll see.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-10-17 10:21:48 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
We WANT you in 0.0 but make it almost pointless. Now we'll make highsec pointless so you go to null then when you're too big and too powerful we'll nerf null... ad infinitum.....



The only constant in the universe ... is change.

It makes sense to have frequent (well, in this case years) change,
like it makes sense to have a round-robin-FOTM faction.

This actually keeps players happy,
because there's new stuff to play with,
even if it's actually old stuff.


So ... next, Gallente/Hybrids.
Who's on the list then ? Amarr ?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-17 10:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
double post.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#19 - 2011-10-17 10:26:48 UTC
What does the great John Rambo say?

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#20 - 2011-10-17 10:28:09 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

And a bloody good point that is too. First the Sanctums. Then the JB's.

Now caps and moons.

Yep. Nerfville. We WANT you in 0.0 but make it almost pointless. Now we'll make highsec pointless so you go to null then when you're too big and too powerful we'll nerf null... ad infinitum.....




Good pont, CCP seems to do the opposite of what the players are wanting with those nerfs. I thought they could nerf drake and tengu, then no solo c1-c3 WH, and also mission runners would be hurt seriously. Then I suppose an incursion LP and ISK drop to nerf those. Hi-Sec would be officially broken at that point.

But would be nice for null to be attractive or cool place, why players went there. Instead having to flee burning villages is why they ended up there.

Also pvpers attitudes are kind of harsh, tbh. Not too attractive listening to them talk. Dont think any of them really made me excited to go down there, just by listening and talking to them.

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