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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-10-02 15:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: shar'ra matcevsovski
CorInaXeraL wrote:

So, if I set my ship to orbit something, it is technically performing an in-game action.


well, yea the in-game ship is performing an in-game action with no player interaction at all, but im sure thats what a afk indicator would see as beeing "active"Roll

it`s pretty much like ganking, it doesnt damage the victims too much, it has just become a almost idiot-proof thing to block a system with a cloaky (technicly) or gank a freighter, as there are no ingame mechanics to counter both effectifly.

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CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#22 - 2012-10-02 16:01:45 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
CorInaXeraL wrote:

So, if I set my ship to orbit something, it is technically performing an in-game action.


well, yea the in-game ship is performing an in-game action with no player interaction at all, but im sure thats what a afk indicator would see as beeing "active"Roll

it`s pretty much like ganking, it doesnt damage the victims too much, it has just become a almost idiot-proof thing to block a system with a cloaky (technicly) or gank a freighter, as there are no ingame mechanics to counter both effectifly.


So, I can stealth-orbit something, get my AFK flag but not be AFK and ninjagank things that come near me, waiting only to reflag for AFKness after I stealth back up?

I see no way in which this can be abused.
Raiko Osburn
Advanced Resource Acquisition and Exploration
#23 - 2012-10-02 16:35:04 UTC
No guys. In-game player action can be detected simply as any player made request sent to EVE servers. Loading market, hitting orbitting button, changing direction ... simply everything you need server to respond to.

So orbiting is not players in-game action, but hitting orbiting button is.

Forget numbers, play with ideas, look for solutions.

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#24 - 2012-10-02 16:38:05 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
CorInaXeraL wrote:

So, if I set my ship to orbit something, it is technically performing an in-game action.


well, yea the in-game ship is performing an in-game action with no player interaction at all, but im sure thats what a afk indicator would see as beeing "active"Roll

it`s pretty much like ganking, it doesnt damage the victims too much, it has just become a almost idiot-proof thing to block a system with a cloaky (technicly) or gank a freighter, as there are no ingame mechanics to counter both effectifly.


So, I can stealth-orbit something, get my AFK flag but not be AFK and ninjagank things that come near me, waiting only to reflag for AFKness after I stealth back up?

I see no way in which this can be abused.



But remember, the op wants you to have a 30 second period where you cannot do anything once you return to your keyboard. So basically, you have to either type in a random chat every 30 minutes. Why do I see an increase in sales of the toy bird homer Simpson used in the episode where he gained weight to work at home.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#25 - 2012-10-02 16:41:51 UTC
Raiko Osburn wrote:
No guys. In-game player action can be detected simply as any player made request sent to EVE servers. Loading market, hitting orbitting button, changing direction ... simply everything you need server to respond to.

So orbiting is not players in-game action, but hitting orbiting button is.


Again, why must I poll the server every 30 minutes to avoid your afk state when stalking someone? Seems like a stealth nerf attempt for afk cloakers that actually hinders people who may be cloaked but not afk.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-10-02 16:45:16 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:

So, I can stealth-orbit something, get my AFK flag but not be AFK and ninjagank things that come near me, waiting only to reflag for AFKness after I stealth back up?

I see no way in which this can be abused.



I dont know why your so much into orbting, it hasj ust nothing to do with this... u can just be afk cloaked orbtiting nothing, same deal.

Allthough, I have to say i dont like this proposal either, a cycle timer for covert ops cloaks (say 60 minutes) but with no deactivation delay would be a better solution, couse it would just hit the afkers, not certain ship classes as such.

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#27 - 2012-10-02 16:53:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
CorInaXeraL wrote:

So, I can stealth-orbit something, get my AFK flag but not be AFK and ninjagank things that come near me, waiting only to reflag for AFKness after I stealth back up?

I see no way in which this can be abused.



I dont know why your so much into orbting, it hasj ust nothing to do with this... u can just be afk cloaked orbtiting nothing, same deal.

Allthough, I have to say i dont like this proposal either, a cycle timer for covert ops cloaks (say 60 minutes) but with no deactivation delay would be a better solution, couse it would just hit the afkers, not certain ship classes as such.



Ah, but according to the op, this isn't about afk cloakers. I could be camping a war target in a station or gate camping a rarely used enterence to nul sec. If I do not poll the server every 30 minutes, I would risk being flagged afk. Given that many corps use a 3rd party voice system, even talking would not cause a server poll. You would have to chat in a window, open market, or something less than every 30 minutes or risk entering the afk state, a state which has a cooldown of 30 seconds before you can act.

Seems like forcing people to play your way.

Also, an hour is not enough time. A bomber can easily wait an hour watching a jump bridge, unmoving, while waiting for a good target. 2-3 hours minimum wait period is needed.
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#28 - 2012-10-02 19:32:26 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
CorInaXeraL wrote:

So, I can stealth-orbit something, get my AFK flag but not be AFK and ninjagank things that come near me, waiting only to reflag for AFKness after I stealth back up?

I see no way in which this can be abused.



I dont know why your so much into orbting, it hasj ust nothing to do with this... u can just be afk cloaked orbtiting nothing, same deal.

Allthough, I have to say i dont like this proposal either, a cycle timer for covert ops cloaks (say 60 minutes) but with no deactivation delay would be a better solution, couse it would just hit the afkers, not certain ship classes as such.



Ah, but according to the op, this isn't about afk cloakers. I could be camping a war target in a station or gate camping a rarely used enterence to nul sec. If I do not poll the server every 30 minutes, I would risk being flagged afk. Given that many corps use a 3rd party voice system, even talking would not cause a server poll. You would have to chat in a window, open market, or something less than every 30 minutes or risk entering the afk state, a state which has a cooldown of 30 seconds before you can act.

Seems like forcing people to play your way.

Also, an hour is not enough time. A bomber can easily wait an hour watching a jump bridge, unmoving, while waiting for a good target. 2-3 hours minimum wait period is needed.


Doesn't have to be about cloaks. Mining an ice belt in a Mackinaw? Some of the FW folk might not approve of this either, but for their own silly reasons.

At its core, though, something like this forces something onto the playerbase that is not needed. What problem is having an AFK indicator solving, truly? It seems like there are no /real/ problems in-game that would be fixed by an AFK flag. You state going AFK without others knowing as being a powerful tool? Well, how much more powerful is it to know, without a doubt, that your enemy that's been stalking your trade lanes or belts is not there? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of that form of psychological warfare?

30 seconds to do anything is also a bit harsh. But I won't get into how many petitions will spring up from "I was belt-mining and the AFK hit and then I went BOOM because it took 30seconds to warp the F*$# out!"
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#29 - 2012-10-02 19:39:29 UTC
My guess, the op and supporters will argue that the act of mining will poll the server in a manner that does not indicate afk. After all, an ice roid does technically have a finite amount of ice and mining does change that amount forcing a communication with the server.

Still, I think the point about usefulness of this function is dead on. The function.serves limited vamue and actually hinders pvp and the psychological side of combat. People should have ti worry if that neutral in local is present or not. Choosing to go out in such a situation is a risk, which they should have to take. The risk shouldn't be eliminated to make people's pve actions easier.
Cap James Tkirk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-10-04 20:33:48 UTC
Seems fairly contrite to do if you want afk statuses WoW and other major MMO --------------------------->
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#31 - 2012-10-04 22:07:09 UTC
Raiko Osburn wrote:
I am not affraid of AFK cloakers. I fly ships, I can afford to loose. I realy think about being AFK in game and what effects it has on players.


The only effect it has on players is what those players allow it to have on them. Period, end of story. Please get the ******* memo, already.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-10-05 03:45:54 UTC
When im not doing anything special at my house I allways light up a huge neon sign on the roof that says AFK. No reason why I wouldnt do that in the hostile coldness of space too ... right ?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-10-05 03:58:34 UTC
Othran wrote:
No, its a crap idea which has been suggested by dozens, if not hundreds of people like you - people who are scared of a player who is not even playing the game.

Roll


This & getting around such a flag is easily circumvented.

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Caldaeron
2 Girls - 1 Corp
#34 - 2012-10-08 23:07:26 UTC
AFK flag that anyone can see would take away one form of psychological warfare, but I'm all for automatic AFK flag that only corp members can see - no point in talking to a guy on TS or in corp channel if the guy is obviously AFK. Take it from IM apps: If you don't work on your computer for 2/5/10/w/e minutes, people on your contact list see your status change to "Away", and people you don't have on your contact list don't know your status at all.
Donnerjack Wolfson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-10-09 18:28:30 UTC
Why the **** would CONCORD (who controls the UI elements) give a **** whether you're paying attention or not?
Beat General
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-10-09 23:17:21 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Raiko Osburn wrote:


*I don't want to start another threat about cloaky AFKers in null. No, this is not about being cloaky and AFK. This is about being AFK in general*




Hmmm, somehow, I dont quite believe you.

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Its getting old.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-10-09 23:26:50 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
yes its' a good idea
you go "afk" after 20 minutes of not touching anything, but also you can set "afk" yourself, and the only way to get rid of it is to turn it off or relog.
so when you log in if you want you can set yourself afk and play as normally just because you can.


In other games, I've avoided the afk flag altogether by jamming a coin between keys on the keyboard. An afk flag would solve nothing.

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Borisk Zeltsh
Alcohlics Anonymous
#38 - 2012-10-09 23:45:08 UTC
More wow players coming to eve and expecting hello kitty online

keep your ideas and fu#k off back to wow we like eve cold and dark and unforgiving
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#39 - 2012-10-10 15:19:42 UTC
Remove local, make people use constellation and keep it delayed for all sec of space. Keep Jita on it's own chat. After 30 mins of not talking on constellation you are removed from the list.

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Cerlin
#40 - 2012-10-10 15:21:59 UTC
This does not seem to fit into what eve is, it is just an attempt to make carebears life even easier for them to afk make cash....now with cloakies in local.