Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Would be less dramatic changes as they were tier3 to begin with. Liking the close range brawler theme.

O.M.G. four mid vexors and ruptures are going to be super annoying, can't be arsed to do the math but reckon cpu should/could be used to mitigate most of that

Maller Abaddonified, lovely. Not sure the cap increase is sufficient though, think it might need 100 more or so.

Also not a fan of the increased sensor strength across the board we are getting a stealth nerf to ecm.
but yes that ruppy is suspiciously similar to a cane too many ships are getting the you can shield tank too lets ignore armour .
It really shouldn't have the same drone capacity as the cane moa doesn't have the same as a ferox

Attack/combat T1 cruisers, 2012 edition :mwd point 2xLSE or 2xASB all of them !

~the golden age of Nano, by Fozzie~




-1 high +1 med or -1 low +1 med for the Moa maybe.
The maller needs a pair of drones (poor cute little maller, all alone in space).
Nerf dat' ruppie drone bay.

I expect better shield rupture

add more EHP to frigs and cruisers :D ALL OF THEM!

The Maller is still a useless brick, just more... bricky. It doesn't need that big cargohold either, as a laser boat it won't use much for ammo (assuming everyone won't just keep using projectiles on it, because better damage + no cap use = WIN). The Amarr are the 2nd drone race and this thing doesn't even get a set of lights, while the Moa gets to keep its 3 drones? (The Moa's got an extra highslot for a missile launcher, it doesn't need the drones). And without that utility high and cap use bonus the Maller is going to have big power problems; how about an extra midslot to mount a cap booster instead of that extra low (toughness was never its problem, 6 lows is cute but unnecessary, and for the love of god, give it at least a couple of drones).

Moa is probably going to be better with the damage bonus, although medium hybrids are the real issue with mid-sized hybrid boats so it's hard to judge. It really doesn't need the drones though, and consider losing a low to gain a midslot for better tanking and such, the 4/4 low/mid arrangement is very un-caldari like!

Big improvement for the Vexor, I like its greater toughness and mobility a lot, the rest of its stats are fine.

I had hoped to see the end of the Minmatar armour tanking ships - the Ruppy, Hurricane and Typhoon (and Nidhoggur). Everything else they have is shield and speed, so it's weird that just these 3 that require a completely different skill set. Please give some thought to 5 mids and 4 lows for the Rupture (and more shields, less armour) to bring it into line with just about the entirety of the rest of the Matari fleet. The Ruppy doesn't need so many drones either; it's already the best T1 cruiser and that isn't going to change based on what I've seen here, so consider taking it down to 10 or 15m3.

mm.. mini shield neuty nano cane thats sounds like a good idea :P

I'm fairly happy with all of these changes, but the rupture is a bit OP (coming from someone who loves them). Extra 50 m/s base and 4 mids? Holy crap this thing is going to be awesome.

Awesome changes, but there are a few things that makes me wonder.

Why doesn't the maller have any drones? even the Moa got 3 and the Stabber 1. The Maller still needs a helping hand so it could use a few drones.

4 Mids for the Moa doesn't seem to work well. You have given it bonus for a brawler ship but it will be unable to fit a good tackle and tank. And why the drones? Isn't it a better idea to replace them with higher PG and cpu?

4 Mids for Vexor and Rupture will greatly improve them against frigs. Be careful to not make them too powerful. The extra mid also means that these ships will be even more useful as shield tankers. So unless you improve armor tanking I expect that even more people will shieldtank their cruisers. Both these and the attack cruisers are likely to be shield tanked.

Personally I love the Rupture changes. Trading a neut for a web is a good trade for a shield rupture. However I would like to see more support for armor ruptures. Remember that Minmatar are armor tankers too.

Well I only fly the Vexor and Moa with any regularity, so I'll just comment about them...

So the Moa is now a giant Merlin. Tbh wouldn't mind seeing a low or high slot moved to the mid. 4 mids doesn't leave alot for a shield tanking brick brawler. Cuz let's face it, that's what it is. It's slower than most other new cruisers, and it's gonna end up using blasters (rails still suck). So it has to survive long enough to catch it's target (somehow) and then hold it there (point + web), to apply it's rather short-range high-dps damage. And 4 mids ain't enough to do that.

Vexor is.... wow. More grid. More CPU. More slots. More speed. More tank. It's kinda frightening. I am a huge fan of the Vexor. I have more kills with it than any other ship. But I do think that 4th midslot is a bad idea. It makes shield glass-cannon fits very viable. Too much so. We're looking at 850+dps and 25K ehp with scram.... That's just a bit... yeah.