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State of Gallente-Caldari Warzone?
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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-09-28 05:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Ferrr
So what is the condition of the Caldari-Gallente warzone? Everytime I have looked at it Caldari has almost complete control. Is it as one sided with the farmers as the Minmatar-Amarr warzone? Do the Gallente have a chance of hitting T5 before winter patch?
Lev Arturis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-09-28 06:50:27 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
So what is the condition of the Caldari-Gallente warzone? Everytime I have looked at it Caldari has almost complete control. Is it as one sided with the farmers as the Minmatar-Amarr warzone? Do the Gallente have a chance of hitting T5 before winter patch?


You can anwer your question yourself if you count the vulnerable Caldari systems.
Dan Carter Murray
#3 - 2012-09-28 09:28:59 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
So what is the condition of the Caldari-Gallente warzone? Everytime I have looked at it Caldari has almost complete control. Is it as one sided with the farmers as the Minmatar-Amarr warzone? Do the Gallente have a chance of hitting T5 before winter patch?

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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-28 10:09:25 UTC
It has been a little static for a bit longer than the new normal, there are some proposed changes to the FW mechanics in features and ideas (some might say poorly thought out) that will change how things will work and generally nerf payments and frigates plexing majors. It may well be that if the Gallente take and upgrade all those vulnerable systems a day or two before patch day then they would have some significant advantages moving into the next iteration.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-09-28 14:50:33 UTC
Lev Arturis wrote:
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
So what is the condition of the Caldari-Gallente warzone? Everytime I have looked at it Caldari has almost complete control. Is it as one sided with the farmers as the Minmatar-Amarr warzone? Do the Gallente have a chance of hitting T5 before winter patch?


You can anwer your question yourself if you count the vulnerable Caldari systems.


That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Minmatar has a ton of vulnerable systems, there is still such a little chance of Amarr hitting T5. That is unless some massive farming entity joins the war on the amarr side or a large percentage of the Caldari milita come to help their Amarr breathern bunker bust..

I am curious of the state of the Gallente warzone, because I want to throw my alt in the Gal militia. My main is in the minmatar militia for the PvP. I want to put a farming alt in a different militia so I can diversify my LP store rewards. I want my alt to be in a friendly militia so he can come to the assistance of my main when I am outnumbered in PvP. It seems like it would be a waste to put a farming alt into a militia that has no chance of hitting T5.
Ctzn Snips
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-09-28 15:48:35 UTC
We're waiting for all the squid farmers to get bored of having only 5 systems to farm.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#7 - 2012-09-28 16:11:00 UTC
things may change fast, when gallente has made enough vulnerable systems they will shoot bunkers and then caldari does not have much systems.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#8 - 2012-09-28 16:20:30 UTC
Ctzn Snips wrote:
We're waiting for all the squid farmers to get bored of having only 5 systems to farm.


Except we can farm in Amarr space for LP which is exactly what the Matar farmers do in Caldari occupied space. Or have you not looked at killboard recently where 90% of the kills happening in our front is a permarunning dual repper incursus flown by brand new alts in TLF.

I suspect quite a few are bots too since at least 3 follow completely predictable and same pattern all the time when moving which always ends up dying on the same spot to same boat. I do not generally pod them of course since them having to self-destruct wastes more of their time.

I have over 400 kills this month, bulk of them farmer alts. On the other hand I now have a sizable collection of small armor repper II's...
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-09-28 18:09:09 UTC
Well I suppose most gal mili guys have minnie farming alts so flipping systems would only destroy their farming grounds.
Our nice "traitors" from amarr militia which plexed their own militia to hell with minnie alts leaved for caldari militia and plex now caldari down with their minnie alts. Rofl.
Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-09-28 18:37:07 UTC
Plex farming...never
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-10-01 18:05:03 UTC
FW as a whole is screwed and just boring. You either chase stabbed frigs or just run from large outnumbered fights.

The plexing mechanic as a whole is a bad mechanic in which CCP is trying to make into lemonade. The proper method of fixing FW would be to scrap plexes and make Low Sec meaningful. (not just FW)

FW was originally intended (and still is touted) as new a new pilot place to start. FW is anything but.

Love / hate relationship with eve is simple:

People love the fact that the risk of loss is 100% but most dont want to lose, so they fight fights they know they can win and run from questionable fights. This is FW (hopefully all of eve isnt like this)

CCP is exacerbating the issue by not doing a full system reset once the changes hit. Without a pure reset FW is screwed going forward.

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Elvis Fett
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-10-02 01:48:09 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
FW as a whole is screwed and just boring. ...Lots of Bitterness...



Almost everything you say is wrong... FW is awesome, and the most exciting place to be in EVE if you like PvP. You are over-exaggerating largely what we both agree is a problem, gunless plexers. I don't even waste my time even entering plexes with known gunless frigs, as I know they are going to warp off, 9 times out of 10 before I can even get close. Why waste the time, they're not looking for the fight. If you are wasting the time, that's your fault. Scattered among all those gunless frigs there are plenty of assault frigs, faction frigs/cruisers, etc. See one of those in a plex and they are usually plexing in hopes of a fight. Use D-scan, if its a merlin/slasher/incurus don't enter. I have had many good fights in side plexes, both solo and small gang. Even in the dead minmatar/amarr warzone there are plenty of small fights to be had. Plexes are cool, the restrictions on hulls makes for more interesting fights instead of constant BC gangs.

With so many fights in FW being in small stuff I find most people to be less risk adverse than in other areas of EVE. I see people derp stuff all the time just to have a good fight. Don't get me wrong there are still those try hard a**clowns that bring ECM to a 6 on 1 (you know who you are.), but most people I have encountered on both sides of the war just want good fights and good fun.

The many frig fights that happen in FW make it the perfect place for new people to start if they like PvP. Although I would imagine making a profit at first could be hard in FW, since most of our income comes from LP which requires isk to cash out. But simply for PvP FW is the best place for a new person. Flying tackle frigs in 0.0 BC blobs gets boring pretty quick, especially when you can come to FW and be the star of the show in a T1 frig.

Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-02 05:58:08 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
Without a pure reset FW is screwed going forward.


I fully agree, even if Gallente held everything, it needs to be reset, these gunless frigates have messed it up for all of us who are in Faction Warfare for the Faction part of it, not the isk part
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#14 - 2012-10-02 10:23:30 UTC
FW is / is not broken ... problem is the way how the low sec is treated ... however some of the sparkles of good ideas were mentioned for upcomming patches.

Bolster I dont think plexing is bad ... they just fd it by some other bugs (like permavulner systems etc.) that is why i was screaming with releasing of new system. they did not test it and now they postponing even simple fixes, because they have resources elsewhere. ..... Hans ... u r partially responsible ....
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-10-02 13:53:27 UTC
Snake, I agree plexing is not a BAD mechanic, I believe it is a BAD mechanic when it solely effects Sov. I have mentioned numerous times to hans and others that FW Sov needs to be expanded to have various activities that contribute to sov not just plexing.

I think plexing should have an impact on sov but a limited one, maybe only over station lockout. Having other mechanics that influence Sov (and not just system control, make it constellation based control or something larger then a single system)

I constantly have told Hans that FW should be similiar to World vs World in other games like GW2, War Hammer, etc The big difference in FW then in 00 is there is no unified structure, just random people running around with little coordination.

I also want to clarify when I say full reset I mean a BLANK reset. No one owns anything. I think this reset should be done quarterly, seasonal, etc. This is FW not 00 so mechanics must be put in place to allow FW to blossom. By having seasonal resets it allows a "fresh start" and wars to be waged constantly.

As far as outnumbered fights, seriously dude. We went into Minni space 2 weeks ago and could only get fights in 1 of 4 systems, we roamed the entire war front to find the only systems you (minni) would fight in were right next to your staging point.

This is extremely bad for FW.

Tldr

Plexing is a good mechanic for fights
Plexing is a bad mechanic when it is the only one influencing Sov
System Resets to Blank Ownership, are good for keeping war zone fresh
Fighting in only 4 systems is bad for fw

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Cromwell Savage
The Screaming Seagulls
#16 - 2012-10-02 20:58:28 UTC
**** plexing and everything associated with it.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-10-02 23:16:12 UTC
The problem lies in the nature of men ... Especially EVE online men ... the slimy backstabbing most untrustworthy and douchebaggiest men in the world.

Whatever mechanics are made for FW and lowsec they will allways be exploited to the max to squeeze out the LPs at optimal rate ... screw the "war", screw the fighting, screw the fun.

But tbh .. what do you expect in a game where many players are playing the both sides simultaniously with alts. There is no US versus THEM in FW, just farm bunch number 1 and farm bunch number 2.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#18 - 2012-10-03 12:53:36 UTC
lol at you guys. Somehow you think Maintenault is just as important as Nennamaila, and that a gunless alt affects your ability to kill real players flying real pvp ships. "Winning" in Eve is measured by morale.

The current state of the Gallente-Caldari FW theater is that half of the Caldari have failcascaded (yet again) and are slowly re-organizing (yet again) while the number of core Gallente corporations has grown and remains stronger than ever. There have been some signs of hope with more Caldari players in Enaluri lately, so I suspect things will pick up by the winter patch.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#19 - 2012-10-03 13:02:25 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
lol at you guys. Somehow you think Maintenault is just as important as Nennamaila, and that a gunless alt affects your ability to kill real players flying real pvp ships. "Winning" in Eve is measured by morale.


Or you are just spouting desperate propaganda with silly notion that someone in Cal militia would give two-f.cks about place like Mantenault, which is non-station system in ass-end of Placid.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#20 - 2012-10-03 13:43:56 UTC
I want lemonade

BolsterBomb wrote:

The plexing mechanic as a whole is a bad mechanic in which CCP is trying to make into lemonade.

nom nom
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