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Help with 5/10 complexes
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DarkFidelity
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-10-01 09:22:06 UTC
Hey guys,

So after skilling into a Loki I finally set my sights on running 5/10 plexes. I am having some trouble with getting setup though because I am not sure how much of a tank I need. I've tried googling to find this information, but have never been able to find anything.

Currently my Loki tanks 533 DPS from Blood Raiders. Neuting hasn't seemed to impact my fit very much yet (even when I was <20km from 8 Blood Raider Battleships) so either I am pretty lucky or the fit is working pretty well. My gun ranged is about 12km which makes Stasis towers a complete pain in the butt.

If I could get some tips it would be much appreciated ("Get a Tengu" is not a good tip. I can only fly Minmatar).

This is the fit I am working with at the moment. I'm considering keeping a PSA + 220mm + drones in the cargo so I can switch out for more DPS. I'm new to my area of low sec though so I am keeping the cloak till I learn the locals and such.

[Loki, Cloaky Blood Plexer]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier I
10MN Afterburner II

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer

Cap stable. 351 DPS. 533 Tank vs Blood Raiders. Once I do a little bit more training I'll be able to drop the CCC rig for another screen that will boost my tank to a flat 600.

Thanks
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
#2 - 2012-10-01 10:11:57 UTC
I tried a 5/10 once (guristas), the incoming dps peaked around 1700, and in a battleship (RNI) I only had time to kill one rat before I had to warp out.

A small ship should have an easier time because of higher speed and lower sig radius, but there does seem to be huge jump in difficulty from 4/10 to 5/10.
Caterpil
Amanina Avada Corporation
#3 - 2012-10-01 10:42:48 UTC
I've managed to run all DED 5/10 complexes (except bloodSmile) with the following Loki fit:

[Loki, DED5]

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Co-Processor II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Defensive - Amplification Node
Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Hornet EC-300 x5
Hobgoblin x5

A few notes
- My fit uses burst tank rather than active tank so it requires more attention then yours but has the ability to recover quickly if you get your transversal messed up (Obviously switch out hardeners depending on the complex).

- Whatever you do, I highly recomend using the amplification node rather than adaptive shielding, in reality it helps you tank much better when moving all-out. It also makes you harder to scan down if anyone drops combat probes (Dssolution Sequencer is there for the same reason).

- Take along barrage ammo and slap on a couple of tracking enhancers to hit the web towers in the last room (around 40km away)

- I'm using another ship for scanning

538 DPS including drones (1.95km + 29.5km range)
725.9 DPS sustained tank vs Blood
800.8 DPS Burst Tank vs Blood
Hav0cide
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-10-01 14:12:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hav0cide
Last per the last message, but an extra tip.

As your in lowsec you have station access. Use covert ops mode when your scanning. When you find a site dock, switch to combat subsystems and go to complete the Plex. Hold mods in cargo and ur only take an extra few moments to reshape, increasing your DPS/range.

Once completed, simply dock and reconfigure and off you go in covert. Works great.

- Grab lowgrade crystals for extra rep if needed.
- Try out a medium booster fit. T2 boosters can tank most Gurista plexs

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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#5 - 2012-10-01 16:56:57 UTC
You need a friend to help you out. I can provide logi or damage support if you'd like. Just let me know when and where.
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2012-10-01 18:03:57 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
You need a friend to help you out. I can provide logi or damage support if you'd like. Just let me know when and where.


Youre so cool.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#7 - 2012-10-01 18:20:34 UTC
Gritz1 wrote:

Youre so cool.


You're so edgy.
Scoto Timta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-10-01 18:32:26 UTC
Test server is your friend.

Seriously, not being rude. I did that to see if some of my ships/setups would handle particular sites. Theoretical DPS/EHP numbers are one thing. Actual incoming damage (factoring sig radius, speed tank, etc) is another.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-10-01 18:36:52 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Gritz1 wrote:

Youre so cool.


You're so edgy.

you're both so casual. amidoingitrite?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-10-02 05:52:20 UTC
Hey stop theorycrafting and just fly out there to test things ffs :D

Your tank should be just fine (generally speaking you don't simply tank full room aggros in plexes like in AFK missioning, control the range, speed and sig tank) but what you need to test is whether you can break the Overseer tank with that dps.

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DarkFidelity
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-10-02 10:22:41 UTC
Haha, I'm not theory crafting. I am testing my fits. It just helps when you know where the baseline should be set at. My previous fit was okay... up until I'd get to the last room. My tank could not keep up when I was webbed (My tank was 415 DPS then).