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Mutual Fleet Fight, why or why not?

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unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-10-01 20:40:55 UTC
Concord Message:

"Unloadedx16's Fleet composed of player A, player B ,and Player C would like to challenge your fleet to a mutual battle,
the rules are as follow: yadda yadda yadda blaa blaa, do you accept his/her challenge?"

Yes

"Fighting will commence in 30 seconds and will end in XXmin or until one fleet surrenders"

While low sec/0.0 pvp is cool and all I believe adding a system to encourage mutual pvp would likely benefit Eve.
This is a sandbox (more of a sandbox for the Devs) and players should have as many unfair AND FAIR means of destroying each other.

ArrowPros:

  • Good for the economy
  • More player professions emerge; players managing frequent tournaments, players managing betting services
  • Might encourage players to venture out to low sec/0.0 once they have gotten some experience
  • Less bored players looking for "fair fights"


ArrowCons:

  • It's "fake" pvp
  • Fair fight in my eve!!!??? GHAAAAAAAQWERTYUIODFGHJWTFBBQSAUCESPAGHETTIII!!!!!!
  • Less people in lowsec/0.0 looking for fights.
    • This I believe is a pure game design flaw. Boost and revamp lowsec if you want more players there. Even add a system outside of FW where roaming fleets have a goal and their work lead to more profit and fun.


Do you think a system like this should be in place, why or why not?
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#2 - 2012-10-01 20:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: lanyaie
Seems awfully similar to another game I know
Dow?
Bow?
Wow?


Hey! Yeah it's WoW! But last time I checked this was EvE now WoW we don't want this do we? Yeah that's right we don't aslong as you have Tornadoes and the Talos you can challenge anyone to a fight and they don't even have to accept, and Guess what? THE FIGHT IS EVEN OVER FASTER.


back to the drawing board and also there is another forum section for this kind of stuff how about you go post there.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#3 - 2012-10-01 20:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Hmm, you know that CONCORD is only in hisec, right? You want fight in there you can wardec corps. You want honorable duel with rules in lowsec/null? Organize a tournament, CONCORD has no place to validate fights in there.

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Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-10-01 20:49:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
lanyaie wrote:
Most of EVE's mechanics seems awfully similar to another game I know
Dow?
Bow?
Wow?


Hey! Yeah it's WoW! But last time I checked EvE had like 40% of in it WoW I don't want this do I?

Fixed.

Seems like when they added Raids to this game I did not see many people complain.

Perhaps if you don't like the feature you should not use it. But plenty who are not you would enjoy it.

I like this idea as long as it takes place in an advertised system people can do too.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-10-01 21:00:27 UTC
Not enough pvp when you roam?

Lets make arena style fights! Then you can easily find a fight when you go hunt...oh wait.


Every game that does this ends up killing pvp in the wider world because why go hunting for a fight when you have one at a click of a button.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-10-01 21:06:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Not enough pvp when you roam?

Lets make arena style fights! Then you can easily find a fight when you go hunt...oh wait.


Every game that does this ends up killing pvp in the wider world because why go hunting for a fight when you have one at a click of a button.


never played ace online?

it could work it could mess with pvp too much, i think they should try it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-10-01 21:09:28 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:


never played ace online?

it could work it could mess with pvp too much, i think they should try it.


Or they can rebalance ships so the cheap stuff can hold its own and provide cheappvp for all.
Alara IonStorm
#8 - 2012-10-01 21:10:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:


never played ace online?

it could work it could mess with pvp too much, i think they should try it.


and they can rebalance ships so the cheap stuff can hold its own and provide cheappvp for all.

Made this post twice as good.
unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-01 21:23:12 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
Seems awfully similar to another game I know
Dow?
Bow?
Wow?


Hey! Yeah it's WoW! But last time I checked this was EvE now WoW we don't want this do we? Yeah that's right we don't aslong as you have Tornadoes and the Talos you can challenge anyone to a fight and they don't even have to accept, and Guess what? THE FIGHT IS EVEN OVER FASTER.


back to the drawing board and also there is another forum section for this kind of stuff how about you go post there.


WHY don't you like it. Your just rambling and saying Eve players won't like it just because? You can still have that tornado challenge whatever if you'd like and you don't have to participate in this if your are not interested. Like I said in the OP; more ways to destroy each other be it fair and unfair.
unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-10-01 21:30:55 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Hmm, you know that CONCORD is only in hisec, right? You want fight in there you can wardec corps. You want honorable duel with rules in lowsec/null? Organize a tournament, CONCORD has no place to validate fights in there.


Yes sorry, I though it would be obvious this feature would only work in highsec as in low/null anyone can come in and interfere with the fight and concord would not be able to enforce the rules. This feature wouldn't and shouldn't interfere with wardecs at all. If you are at war while in a mutual fight and the corp at war with you comes in and interferes with the mutual fight then more power to them. This can only add more content to Eve and no one is being forced to participate.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-10-01 21:33:08 UTC
unloadedx16 wrote:


Yes sorry, I though it would be obvious this feature would only work in highsec as in low/null anyone can come in and interfere with the fight and concord would not be able to enforce the rules. This feature wouldn't and shouldn't interfere with wardecs at all. If you are at war while in a mutual fight and the corp at war with you comes in and interferes with the mutual fight then more power to them. This can only add more content to Eve and no one is being forced to participate.


The problem is this will destroy the rest of the pvp out there.
unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-10-01 21:43:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Not enough pvp when you roam?

Lets make arena style fights! Then you can easily find a fight when you go hunt...oh wait.


Every game that does this ends up killing pvp in the wider world because why go hunting for a fight when you have one at a click of a button.


And like I said in the OP this is purely a game design problem. If players out in low/null don't have a reason to fight, defend, make profits while in a fleet and it end up being the case that many people leave low/null then that is something the devs need to address. It would indicate that there was an ongoing problem even before the feature was implemented!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-10-01 21:46:12 UTC
You can do this already...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#14 - 2012-10-01 21:48:46 UTC
Hi,

I quite like this idea, but I've had to move this thread from General Discussion to this forum as it's the right place for CCP developers to monitor ideas and feedback.

Thanks and fly safe.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-10-01 21:50:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
unloadedx16 wrote:


Yes sorry, I though it would be obvious this feature would only work in highsec as in low/null anyone can come in and interfere with the fight and concord would not be able to enforce the rules. This feature wouldn't and shouldn't interfere with wardecs at all. If you are at war while in a mutual fight and the corp at war with you comes in and interferes with the mutual fight then more power to them. This can only add more content to Eve and no one is being forced to participate.


The problem is this will destroy the rest of the pvp out there.


I would argue the opposite. By allowing mutual pvp it would filter out alot of the random pointless pvp that goes on just because player get bored and make them more meaningful. Wardec, low/null pvp will be a little more purposeful. Possibly less corps decing smaller corp out of pure boredom/grief.
unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-10-01 22:02:37 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

I quite like this idea, but I've had to move this thread from General Discussion to this forum as it's the right place for CCP developers to monitor ideas and feedback.

Thanks and fly safe.


Thank you isd. While I understand why you moved this thread to this forum would it be possible for to put this back in General_Discusion where it wold get more feedback and criticism. I would argue that this is half an idea thread and half a question to players as to why so many are opposed to mutual pvp. Also I think threads like this that encourage discussion about the game are a little more important than silly "get likes" and "rate avatar above you" threads.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#17 - 2012-10-02 05:52:58 UTC
Nice avatar I really like the colour you've applied on it and the hair is amazing

6/10

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2012-10-02 08:02:04 UTC
unloadedx16 wrote:


I would argue the opposite. By allowing mutual pvp it would filter out alot of the random pointless pvp that goes on just because player get bored and make them more meaningful. Wardec, low/null pvp will be a little more purposeful. Possibly less corps decing smaller corp out of pure boredom/grief.


They did this in SWG. They added a pvp city called restuss and a week later pvp everywhere else was gone and never returned.
unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-10-02 20:19:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You can do this already...


So make it more accessible and transparent. Rather than; jet can this, you take that, noone else attack, boobs yadda yadda!
unloadedx16
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-02 20:21:13 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
Nice avatar I really like the colour you've applied on it and the hair is amazing

6/10


uhmm thanks =)
Your avatars cool too.
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