Player Features and Ideas Discussion

BS cant fit in a BR!
Cruiser cant fit in a BR!

Trust me, if it were one ship only, I wouldnt post this. What if I need to move few rigged battleships and few rigged cruisers?



What exactly, once the bumping begins? Except no hauling valuable cargo (equal to not undocking at all).

I'll bump you off the gate, suicide a noob ship, so you cant log off until friendly gank squad arrives, and theres _absolutely nothing_ you can do. You bring logi/falcon? I'll bring a blackbird.

Thats how its done, and if gankers suicide a noob ship every 15m so you have aggro and cant log off, they can keep bumping you from DT to DT.

…and maybe you should read what I wrote instead?

You split it and move it twice for a total of 120 jumps, half of which are done in a fast-aligning, fast-warping Blockade runner.

Tool #1 of avoiding ganking: carrying too little to be worth ganking. Works like a charm. Then there are scouts and webs and alternate routes. All the usual stuff that — like you — haulers refuse to acknowledge exist every single time they're listed. Use the tools available and the bumping won't begin.

Maybe if you stuck to a single scenario rather than change it up every post…
In fact, for this goal-post-moved scenario it's even faster since you don't need the freighter to begin with.

Is it more than a 5bn loss?

No. It wouldn't be the #1 tool if something else was better. The ships fill their purpose just fine, and BRs in particular are pretty much uncatchable in highsec (and lowsec for that matter). The problems is that pilots try to stretch that purpose to cover something they don't do.

@Tippia

Youre stretching what the ships should (or shouldn't) do, based on what suits your argument. Read the scenario above, freighter pilots having in essence PVP mechanic available so they can PVP and evade being ganking in the way I mentioned above, wouldn't be bad, as it would allow them to PVP and not be helpless to gankers. More PVP for everyone! Thats the solution. But even better, just allow carriers.

PVP =/= not being able to escape or PVP whatsoever.

No. I'm saying what they do. You're the one stretching it every way at once by saying that they should be doing things they're not meant for, and that they can't do things that they can do.

Not really. For one, there's no problem to be solved because they can evade ganks as it is. They're not helpless to gankers and they're not meant to engage in direct combat.

No. You're confusing “better” with “much much worse” here. Caps are not allowed in highsec for the exact reason you want them: because they make things too safe. They're also completely unnecessary since there are tools available at your disposal to do what you want. If you want a special highsec carrier, then it would have to be given pretty much the same stats as a freighter anyway to ensure that you can still be ganked with relative ease.

Just because you refuse to use what's available to you doesn't mean that highsec is suddenly in dire need of caps.

I read what you wrote, and it amounts to you ignoring the options available to you. Freighters evade ganks the same way everything else does, and you've been given the methods numerous times.

Sure there is. Even more so come winter.

…and your unwillingness to use what's available to you is still not a reason to have carriers in highsec.

just wondering:
why not fit the machs for tank and travel and move them NOT in a freighter?
that would be 60j in a mach and 30j in a shuttle/noobship.
for cruisers there is still the orca as a viable option.

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I don't know of anyone that would suicide gank a freighter containing a single rigged battleship hull minus fittings, seeing as no battleship (outside of limited issue ones like Apocalypse Imperial Issue or something) is worth enough to make spending the money suicide ganking the freighter worth the coin flip of that battleship dropping.

Gankers got you down?

Use:

Slave Implants: a full set of Low Grades give around 33% more armor... High Grades as much as 50% more armor.
Fleet Bonuses: Get resistance and HP adding boosts from a T3 flying right next to you.
Hardwirings: There is a plethora of implants that can boost your shields, armor, and hull. Sure... 3 or 5% doesn't sound like much... but when you're talking about a behemoth ship with several hundred thousand HP, a 3% boost in that can mean the difference between needing 1 or 3 more ganking ships.

Best part? None of the above can be scanned or known about until it's too late [for the ganker].
And if cost is a concern for you... well... lets put it this way; would you rather spend 1 billion in implants/fleet boosting that can be used over and over again or be a cheapstake and risk several billion in ISK?

Also... the webbing trick works. If done right it take a grand total of 5 seconds.
Also... "double wrapping" stuff (see: putting stuff in a can and making a courier contract to the freighter pilot) makes the cargo scanner useless.
Also... putting a whole bunch of garbage, low value, low volume items to clutter up your cargohold will garble up most ganker's cargo scanners.
Also... the Orca is quite good at moving cruisers around.
Also... stop using uber expensive rigs so you can repackage ships.

Look above, gankers will suicide a noobship you cant just log off (15m timer) or warp off. So webbing trick doesnt work. Slaves would work, if freighter had some armor and resists, but its structure that gives it EHP.

Again, this has nothing to do with a freighter, theres legitimate need for carrier in highsec to make logistics easier! You cant just say "do it manually"!

For example, I might have a booster alt, and a damnation, vulture, and claymore. That can fit in a freighter, but why not have a battleship on top of it, in a carrier?