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Preffered Caldari Hull for LVL 4 missions.
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HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-10-01 18:01:55 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Don't listen to this information on ASBs as it's not true.

If you're using 400's then either the booster will compesate for the rest with capacitor or it will use 2 chargers (not sure as I've never used one)

The individual ASBs require a certain amount of cap per cycle reguardless of whether you use a smaller charge or not, so it's going to need to get that cap from somewhere.

Now, in reference to the question that was actually asked. 800 booster will give you more cap than 400's.
I think based on skills and all a single 800 will give you more than 2 400.(not sure though)


You really oughtn't answer questions you don't know the answer to.

ASBs work exactly as described. As long as you have charges, they do not use cap and they do not consume more 400s than 800s. As such, you always want to use the smaller boosters as more fit per load.

You've also mucked up the question about cap boosters. A single 800 gives exactly the same amount of cap as two 400s. The difference is that the single 800 is injected all at once whereas the 400s are injected over two cycles. Obviously the downside to 800s is that you have to reload more often (and eat up more cargo space to hold the same number of charges).



So wait... will 400's give just as much shield boost as 800's, if so then there's something really broken
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#22 - 2012-10-01 18:43:14 UTC
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:

So wait... will 400's give just as much shield boost as 800's, if so then there's something really broken


That's correct: in an XL ASB 400s give just as much boost as 800s with no drawbacks -- plus more of them fit in the module so you can boost longer.
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#23 - 2012-10-01 18:43:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Renier Gaden
800s are only useful for Cap boosting. They work in ASBs too, but they take up more space than 400s and boost shield for the same amount.

Edit: What she said.
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-10-01 18:44:42 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:

So wait... will 400's give just as much shield boost as 800's, if so then there's something really broken


That's correct: in an XL ASB 400s give just as much boost as 800s with no drawbacks -- plus more of them fit in the module so you can boost longer.


is that intended or broken?
Renier Gaden
Immortal Guides
#25 - 2012-10-01 18:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Renier Gaden
Intended.

Edit: Not to say they could not add variable boosts in the future, but currently the amount of shield boost is based on the module not the charge.
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-10-01 19:01:41 UTC
Renier Gaden wrote:
Intended.

Edit: Not to say they could not add variable boosts in the future, but currently the amount of shield boost is based on the module not the charge.


Yeah.. I think it should be variable, and to influence player to use 800s over 400s I think a single 800 should put out a little more than 2 400s.

Otherwise no one will ever use 800s.

Back on topic though. Dont bother using caldari ships till after they get at least to t1 bs rebalance cause the tengu is really the most efficient in their entire line up and it doesn't really have damage selection
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-10-01 20:46:10 UTC
Denuo Secus wrote:
Charis Perceptum wrote:
Yeah, that's what PYFA is showing me Sad, any suggestions?


[Raven Navy Issue, Dual ASB]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I



DUDE, you want to tank an army?

Anyway, good luck with hitting stuff with furys :D
Denuo Secus
#28 - 2012-10-01 21:11:18 UTC
Hans Momaki wrote:

DUDE, you want to tank an army?

Those ASBs will be used alternately, not together.


Hans Momaki wrote:

Anyway, good luck with hitting stuff with furys :D


Denuo Secus wrote:

Idea
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I


Also: drones. The CNR has enough drone bay to carry light drones and medium drones as damage support.

I used this fit quite a while in lvl4 missions. I one-volleyed BCs with T2 missiles. Elite cruisers are a bit tough maybe. But they still die reasonable fast.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto
AGGRESSIVE ASSET RELOCATION
#29 - 2012-10-02 01:20:59 UTC
Getting through all the TL:DR, and replying directly to the OP, I quite successfully use a Drake for all of my Level 4 mission needs.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#30 - 2012-10-02 05:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Shockedhard time fitting nighthawk...I love my lvl 4 NH, hi 6X HML II, Mid, Kenetic shield amp X 3 or mix for mission, 1 shield booster amp and medium meta 4 shield booster, low 3 X ballistic missle II, damage control II, and meta 4 power diagnostic, rigs, 3 X passive, completely cap stable, I can do any lvl 4 with this fit and since im a cheap bastage i use regular HM, sometimes I use tec 2's but only for few hi repping rats (rare) otherwise just use normal ammo, keep the isk'es.Cool
Charis Perceptum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-10-03 02:10:13 UTC
Well that was a interesting disaster. Not sure what happened other then the fact I was warp scrammed by 8 NPC's, but the LSB build pop'd like a zit. Think that was the fastest I've spent half a billion ISKies in a while. Thanks again for the help but I'll roll back to my absolution. Pigattuk, if its not to much to ask, can you punch your NH build into Battle clinic and forward me the link? Also what Rigs are you using (I'm assuming Med Warhead Rigor's).
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-10-03 02:25:51 UTC
Shocked

....an LSB fit what, not a CNR I hope?
Charis Perceptum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-10-03 02:29:05 UTC
Yep.
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-10-03 05:26:04 UTC
Charis Perceptum wrote:
Yep.


Cruise missiles are almost useless without target painters.

Same goes for torps.

When I was flying a raven I noticed that on pretty much all bs npcs it took 2 target painters for fury to do more dps than precision.

That said, the tengu has been the most efficient missile boat I've ever flown in missions.

However, heavy missiles are getting range, damage, and application nerfs in the winter expansion.

However, they're not rebalancing any of our other lvl 4 capable ships.

Even the golem is fairly inadequate at missions, expecially with any type of ewar or cap warfare.

The tengu will still be capable of missioning after the nerf, but either with hams, or fairly crappy heavy missiles.

I may change out my rigs from cap to range/dps.

Oh well.

My point is though, don't bother using missile boats till after they get rebalanced.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#35 - 2012-10-03 09:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Cruise missiles are almost useless without target painters.


Rubbish

Rubbish

Rubbish

Absolute nonsense.

Assuming decent missile support skills and 3 Rigors with faction ammo then CNRs and CMs are awesome and will WTFPWN anything.

My CNR Build:

CN BCU
CN BCU
CN BCU
CN BCU

Gist A-Type X- Large Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
CN Mission Resist Field
CN Mission Resist Field
CN Mission Resist Field
CN Mission Resist Field
Imperial Cap Recharger

CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
Black Eagle Drone Link

Rigor I
Rigor I
Rigor I

Yes it's expensive, but who cares? You should pimp a Navy hull. And no, you can't do it better with T2 so STFU and give your head a shake. Yes, you should be using Faction ammo, because it's miles better than T2 - don't argue, just look at the relative explosive velocities and radii and you'll see I'm right.

There's no need to wait until the missile buff - buy one and use it now. Once you've got the CNR, start cross-training for a Mach because that's better.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Nrazza
Liquid Words
#36 - 2012-10-03 13:54:17 UTC
Charis Perceptum wrote:
Well that was a interesting disaster. Not sure what happened other then the fact I was warp scrammed by 8 NPC's, but the LSB build pop'd like a zit. Think that was the fastest I've spent half a billion ISKies in a while. Thanks again for the help but I'll roll back to my absolution. Pigattuk, if its not to much to ask, can you punch your NH build into Battle clinic and forward me the link? Also what Rigs are you using (I'm assuming Med Warhead Rigor's).


Was this a Raven or a Navy Raven? If so it sounds you may want to hold off a bit here. Sounds like ur drone skills were not able to save you.
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-10-03 14:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: HELLBOUNDMAN
John Ratcliffe wrote:
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Cruise missiles are almost useless without target painters.


Rubbish

Rubbish

Rubbish

Absolute nonsense.

Assuming decent missile support skills and 3 Rigors with faction ammo then CNRs and CMs are awesome and will WTFPWN anything.

My CNR Build:

CN BCU
CN BCU
CN BCU
CN BCU

Gist A-Type X- Large Shield Booster
Gist A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
CN Mission Resist Field
CN Mission Resist Field
CN Mission Resist Field
CN Mission Resist Field
Imperial Cap Recharger

CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
CN CM Launcher
Black Eagle Drone Link

Rigor I
Rigor I
Rigor I

Yes it's expensive, but who cares? You should pimp a Navy hull. And no, you can't do it better with T2 so STFU and give your head a shake. Yes, you should be using Faction ammo, because it's miles better than T2 - don't argue, just look at the relative explosive velocities and radii and you'll see I'm right.

There's no need to wait until the missile buff - buy one and use it now. Once you've got the CNR, start cross-training for a Mach because that's better.


You'd be getting a higher RoF with t2 launchers, so that's better dps, but other than that, to each his own.. I'm personally not a fan of x-L boosters, but ehh.

Also, what do you put in that 5th low slot?

NVM, you don't get more dps with t2...good to know.

that said though, I'm wondering if you've really spent more than 2 billion isk on a navy raven?
If so, I'd consider selling it and maybe bumping up to a Golem, or perhaps a pirate bs.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#38 - 2012-10-03 14:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Also, what do you put in that 5th low slot?


Sorry - CN PDU.

Quote:
that said though, I'm wondering if you've really spent more than 2 billion isk on a navy raven?
If so, I'd consider selling it and maybe bumping up to a Golem, or perhaps a pirate bs.


Not only have I spent it, I've lost it twice. Once because I did something silly in a mission we don't need to discuss and the other because I accepted a Lvl 4 in LowSec and got owned like the Care Bear n00b I am Blink

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14747145

I haven't replaced that last CNR yet, so I using my SNI at the moment. I have a Rattlesnake, but my Sentry Drone skills aren't high enough yet to warrant undocking it. TBH I think I'll go for the Machariel next - I really need to start training guns...

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
HELLBOUNDMAN
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-10-03 14:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: HELLBOUNDMAN
John Ratcliffe wrote:
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Also, what do you put in that 5th low slot?


Sorry - CN PDU.

Quote:
that said though, I'm wondering if you've really spent more than 2 billion isk on a navy raven?
If so, I'd consider selling it and maybe bumping up to a Golem, or perhaps a pirate bs.


Not only have I spent it, I've lost it twice. Once because I did something silly in a mission we don't need to discuss and the other because I accepted a Lvl 4 in LowSec and got owned like the Care Bear n00b I am Blink

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14747145

I haven't replaced that last CNR yet, so I using my SNI at the moment. I have a Rattlesnake, but my Sentry Drone skills aren't high enough yet to warrant undocking it. TBH I think I'll go for the Machariel next - I really need to start training guns...



Hmmm. tasty kill, lol.

Seriously though, You'd probably be better of getting a different ship.

I really wish they would make a missile boat pirate bs.
Expecially if they use the Rokh Hull.

God I've always wanted a torp Rokh

I love my missiles but I'm current cross training for lasers to fly a Nightmare. Probably use that until the Golem gets rebalanced.(if the rebalance is worth a crap)
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#40 - 2012-10-03 14:59:29 UTC
HELLBOUNDMAN wrote:
Seriously though, You'd probably be better of getting a different ship.


Yes, probably. The CNR is a better ship than the SNI though for Lvl 4s - that extra launcher is tasty. I did get the Rattlesnake for Lvl 5s, but then found out there are no Lvl 5s in HighSec any more. I'm obviously not going to take it to LowSec and lose it, so I'll probably wait until my Drone skills are higher and just use it from time to time for Lvl 4s to give me a bit of a change.

Quote:
I really wish they would make a missile boat pirate bs.
Expecially if they use the Rokh Hull.


They do - the Rattlesnake is the Pirate BS.

Quote:
I love my missiles but I'm current cross training for lasers to fly a Nightmare. Probably use that until the Golem gets rebalanced.(if the rebalance is worth a crap)


Yes, the Machariel and/or Nightmare are the next BS class ships I want. Only 2 Mil SPs in Guns though, so a long way to go... Sad

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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