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Borascus
#81 - 2012-09-29 21:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Faulx wrote:
Borascus wrote:

Osobn translates into English from Polish to - Separate
...
Not to be too pedantic on something like this, but the deviation of terminology via slang and region usually avoids convergence on another already existent term, the deviation of Osobn from Osoba is not a feasible tangent considering Osobn means separate; which the enclaves emphasize and the distanced and annexed state of Anoikis represents.

That's not too big a leap actually, it seems to occur in Polish and definitely occurs in English. From "Person" to "Individual" to "Separate"... it's a very easy transition of meaning (individuals are separate). If you'll recall "Osoba" translated two ways... "person" or "individual"... "osobn" then as "separate" is not too surprising.

Interesting note: "Cena osobn." means "Price basis" and "jed osobn." means "one by one.", so it seems "separately" or "individual" can be used in phrase to indicate enumeration or grouping of objects. This change in meaning seems to happen at the end of sentences, or maybe phrases... (would be nice to have a native speaker to help us understand this )
Ugh

"osobności" means "alone" or "private"

"oręże osobny ści" means "weapons of separate quality" (I think my grammar is a little clunky here)

Wow, here's an interesting one:
"oręże osobność" means "weapons of individuality"... that could have some pretty interesting consequences from an infomorphic perspective



I'd love to know how "ość" applies to other factors. This is probably a good time to emphasise that the language used is not "only vowels"

Also: The words oręże and osobności occur in Poezye, which had an author by the name of Aleksander Chodzko with an extremely interesting background in Polish Poetry, Iranology and Slavic Languages. Whilst also being a member of the Royal Asiatic Society and the Societe de Linguistique de Paris.
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#82 - 2012-09-29 21:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
From what i can tell the "-ść" ending is the proper grammatical way to append the "-ści" (meaning "has the quality of") ending to particular words such as "osobn". The usage is similar to the English, "pepper" + '-y' = "peppery" meaning "has the [spicy] quality of pepper".

Edit: possibly useful reference (this doesn't seem to cover anything like the osoba case, but does show how ść and -ści are related)

Edit: It looks like either ending is valid and can make for huge differences in meaning:
"osobność" is "individuality" or "separateness" (these seem to be grand ideal concepts)
"osobności" is "alone" or "private" (these seem to be particular states of being)
Borascus
#83 - 2012-09-29 22:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Faulx wrote:

Interesting note: "Cena osobn." means "Price basis" and "jed osobn." means "one by one.", so it seems "separately" or "individual" can be used in phrase to indicate enumeration or grouping of objects. This change in meaning seems to happen at the end of sentences, or maybe phrases... (would be nice to have a native speaker to help us understand this )
Ugh

"osobności" means "alone" or "private"

"oręże osobny ści" means "weapons of separate quality" (I think my grammar is a little clunky here)

Wow, here's an interesting one:
"oręże osobność" means "weapons of individuality"... that could have some pretty interesting consequences from an infomorphic perspective
From what i can tell the "-ść" ending is the proper grammatical way to append the "-ści" (meaning "has the quality of") ending to particular words such as "osobn". The usage is similar to the English, "pepper" + '-y' = "peppery" meaning "has the [spicy] quality of pepper".

Edit: possibly useful reference (this doesn't seem to cover anything like the osoba case, but does show how ść and -ści are related)

Edit: It looks like either ending is valid and can make for huge differences in meaning:
"osobność" is "individuality" or "separateness" (these seem to be grand ideal concepts)
"osobności" is "alone" or "private" (these seem to be particular states of being)


Closest find to a direct single language interpretation of the two words in sympatico. Kudos!
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#84 - 2012-09-30 02:19:41 UTC
Thanks Smile

The phrase "weapons of individuality" makes me wonder. What would such a weapon look like? How would it work?

... It reminds me of Speaks and Walks:

Speaks and Walks wrote:
He wonders if he is someone else, entirely.

... and also of 514:

Jamyl Sarum wrote:

“Have you ever felt your life ripped away from you? Your very consciousness sucked into a bottomless pit? Everything you ever thought you were or would be, snuffed out in the smallest fraction of a second?”
...
"I am reliably informed that the infantry implant technology has spread throughout the cluster ... "

"...this technology in its current form poses a significant mutual threat to us, and I firmly believe all of us should cease and desist in our efforts to pursue it."

"...the Sleepers do in fact pose a threat, and that threat is far greater than we had presumed."

"Those implants carry the fragmented consciousness of the Sleepers within them,"

"In some of them, the Sleeper presence is so strong that it can overwhelm the implant's host."
...
"The Empyreans who today wage war on the Sleepers' outposts to harvest their technology... [are committing genocide]"
....
"If [the Sleepers] continue to be attacked in this way, there is no telling what they might do out of self-defense."
Borascus
#85 - 2012-09-30 10:04:20 UTC
Faulx wrote:


... It reminds me of Speaks and Walks:

Speaks and Walks wrote:
He wonders if he is someone else, entirely.




I was like "I Don't get it" when I read that one, it looked like 4 stages of experience from the same soldier as he battled the sleeper consciousness in his original implants, then feeling relieved when the new "sleeperless" implant was present in his clone.

Then I thought he was one of the founding soldiers of Arkombine

Then I thought to myself "I don't get it"
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#86 - 2012-09-30 12:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Arguably, individuality would be the goal of Sleepers trying to escape the virtuality. Something they would sacrifice a major part of in the virtuality, especially if you had dream police constantly monitoring you for "rebellious" thoughts and seditious attitudes.

Looking over the Contra Errores Graecorum, it seems to bear on our discussion here..

Quote:
Many things which sound well enough in Greek do not perhaps, sound well in Latin. Hence, Latins and Greeks professing the same faith do so using different words. For among the Greeks it is said, correctly, and in a Catholic way, that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three hypostases. But with the Latins it does not sound right to say that there are three substantiae, even though on a purely verbal basis the term hypostasis in Greek means the same as the term substantia in Latin. The fact is, substantia in Latin is more frequently used to signify essence. And both we and the Greeks hold that in God there is but one essence. So where the Greeks speak of three hypostases, we Latins speak of three personae, as Augustine in the seventh book on the Trinity also teaches. And, doubtless, there are many similar instances.

It is, therefore, the task of the good translator, when translating material dealing with the Catholic faith, to preserve the meaning, but to adapt the mode of expression so that it is in harmony with the idiom of the language into which he is translating. For obviously, when anything spoken in a literary fashion in Latin is explained in common parlance, the explanation will be inept if it is simply word for word. All the more so, when anything expressed in one language is translated merely word for word into another, it will be no surprise if perplexity concerning the meaning of the original sometimes occurs.


In regards to the Integrated Terminus, from the Divine Comedy by Dante;

Quote:
"Hercules set up his boundary stones that men might heed and never reach beyond".

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Borascus
#87 - 2012-09-30 13:55:18 UTC
There were some falsified records used as Pilots licences in one of the Arek'Jaalan assaults.

In that respect, as the Empires harvest the implants with the Sleeper Consciousness fragments, any rebels from the Sleeper Camp would wish to obtain a clone (in the absence of their physical form) and a Fake I.D.

Especially given the rules of the Construct: You can only leave if you have a body to enter.

Also: A moral and philosophical question must have been raised within the Virtuality. What happens if sabotage renders a hosts body inoperable? Safe to say that a Clone Bay would be available, but that would make the Rule of the Construct (above re needing a body) a really moot point.

Otherwise the second question would be:

If the current Virtuality has accelerated over time and allowed for digital emergent offspring within the virtuality, like the combination of genetic traits afforded to the Jovians as they tube-breed. What pre-cursing allowances are afforded to each "Construct Citizen"?

Would it be like the ABeef's?
Quote:
It should be noted that unknown to the children, the ABF has a separate, hidden section where certain former inhabitants are kept and used for breeding purposes


With some told they will never again be allowed to enter the physical domain?

Did some of the emergent offspring take avenues of procreation that now renders any physical form impossible?
Borascus
#88 - 2012-09-30 14:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Its gonna be easy to miss the meaning of Oruze Osobnyk without a common theme to place the terms, as Roga rightly put in the above. It might be a comparative to a poem in Poezye (like a Shakespearean sonnet or small play)

Roga Dracor wrote:


In regards to the Integrated Terminus, from the Divine Comedy by Dante;

Quote:
"Hercules set up his boundary stones that men might heed and never reach beyond".


Arek'Jaalan's Library has the following addendum to the Integrated Terminus Site:
Quote:
Destroying the Sleeper Archive Terminal structure present at this site will reveal the following information: "With the terminal’s destruction, knowledge is scattered, data strewn in thousand of directions. There are no answers here; only debris remains. Secrets have been lost to the void, perhaps containing among them some key to salvation from this bleak existence.


This is one of the few interaction pop-ups post-destruction. At The Mirror the ship needs to fly within range. However the mirror pop-ups are a brick wall, the Sleeper Archive Terminal pop-up screams "work around me", especially when measured against the warp-to message:

Quote:
Here you are again: another dead end. This impasse is not a physical one, but an ancient one. Why is there a Sleeper station near these Talocan ruins? Why does it seem like these ancient races, long dead and all but forgotten, are intertwined, like star-crossed lovers in the universal play? Perhaps the answer rests in that terminal. Only one way to find out.


A Failed escalation message on a Large Collidable Structure, every time its destroyed, in EVE? Unheard of.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#89 - 2012-10-01 01:36:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Doing some general fact gathering and came across something that is interesting and may have bearing on deciphering osobnyk. It also may have some far reaching implications for the Jovians and Amarr..

Looking at the Inverted Talocan Echange Depot and it brought to mind my argument on the Lesser Strain Hive Mother.. In the same general logic pattern the Inverted may relate to Talocan as most structures begin with the racial typifier first.. This structure, however, doesn't.. So I surmised the Inverted might be an adjective for the Talocan and not the Depot...

Inversion can relate to symmetry, and as such, becomes Antisymmetric.. Antisymmetric Talocan ExchangeDepot.. A slave market...? Cultural Exchange? Selling your own nonconformist peoples?

Quote:
Amidst the ruins of this Talocan outpost, the exchange depot looms, its presence foreboding. Judging from the wreckage inside, the depot was either used for imprisonment or cultural exchange; eerily, there seems to be very little difference between the two. Whatever its purpose, this structure is rather prevalent among the outposts, displaying its importance in Talocan society.


Or, were they possibly used to gather an army? In retrospect to my argument for a first Claiming, read the following;

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In the middle of the 14th century, Murad I built his own personal slave army called the Kapıkulu. The new force was based on the sultan's right to a fifth of the war booty, which he interpreted to include captives taken in battle. The captive slaves were converted to Islam and trained in the sultan's personal service. In the devşirme (Turkish for 'gathering'), young Christian boys from the Balkans were taken away from their homes and families, converted to Islam and enlisted into special soldier classes of the Ottoman army or the civil service. These soldier classes were named Janissaries, the most famous branch of the Kapıkulu. The Janissaries eventually became a decisive factor in the Ottoman invasions of Europe.


^ This reinforces my argument. Janus, my first postulated Jovians...In William Shakespeare's history play Henry IV, Part 2, Prince Harry refers to Murad as "Amurath" in Act V Scene 2 when he succeeds his father, King Henry IV, in 1413. Murad (as "Amurath the First") is the subject of Thomas Goffe's play The Courageous Turk, published in 1632. Notice a correlation? Was this Talocan culling in line with the Amarrian history chronicled here? 16480 AD, roughly 8400 years after the Eve Gate collapsed. Roughly the time given for the fall of the First Jovian Empire.. The Second Jovian Empire was formed under Miko Bour about 20350 AD..

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Slavery can be traced back to the earliest records, such as the Code of Hammurabi (c. 1760 BC), which refers to it as an established institution. Slavery is rare among hunter-gatherer populations (Nomads) as slavery depends on a system of social stratification. Slavery typically also requires a shortage of labor, a surplus population and a surplus of land to be viable. David P. Forsythe wrote: "The fact remained that at the beginning of the nineteenth century an estimated three-quarters of all people alive were trapped in bondage against their will either in some form of slavery or serfdom

Also, the Slave Trade is notorious for it ability to spread communicable diseases..

Returning to Osobnyk, Antisymmetry can also relate to linguistics, which I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around, but, it may be relevent, as many of the letters in osobnyk are antisymmetric..

An interesting side note about the timeline. The Gallente are pretty much ignored before 21656, which is well after the other cultures are introduced in the timeline..

Finally, an interesting take on a posthuman society, The Culture.. Take note of Drones..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Borascus
#90 - 2012-10-01 09:27:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
I'm not too sure, It might even be that the Inverted Talocan Exchange Depot is the method of eviction for a group of persons that had harboured anti-construct views prior to arriving at the Sleeper Strongholds.

In a virtuality, the number one offensive weapon would be psychological warfare.

If the Talocan existed alongside the Sleepers in Empire space, watched them leave, felt jaded, followed, formed a consensus that the Construct had to collapse, and then pulled a Trojan Horse. It might explain how they became embroiled in cultural exchange.

The Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot may have been the 'eavesdrop' that allowed them to have enough similarity to convince their new-found hosts that they shared the views of the Construct.

Wikipedia Definitions of Recursion wrote:

A common method of simplification is to divide a problem into subproblems of the same type. As a computer programming technique, this is called divide and conquer and is key to the design of many important algorithms. Divide and conquer serves as a top-down approach to problem solving, where problems are solved by solving smaller and smaller instances. A contrary approach is dynamic programming. This approach serves as a bottom-up approach, where problems are solved by solving larger and larger instances, until the desired size is reached.


With derivatives in the divide and conquer algorithm and also the Euclidean Algorithm, the Tower of Hanoi puzzle can be solved using recursion.

I share your curiousity at the absence of the Gallente in the majority of the timeline.
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#91 - 2012-10-01 09:35:10 UTC
I reflected a bit on the meaning of Oruze... "Oręże"... "Оруже".... In Polish "Oręż" can mean "sword" so another spin on "oręże osobność" would be "sword of separation" where "separation" in this case is the ideal concept of separateness. An interesting pun considering a sword's function.

Also I found another compelling letter based switch... 'л' (el) for 'n'... which, in Russian, could give us "Oруже Oсо́б лук" (with what may be some very clunky grammar).

Oруже - weapons, arms

adj. "осо́б" short masculine form of "special": 1.) Particular , Peculiar , Special 2.) separate , Special , Detached , distinct

лу́к - "bow (weapon)" or "onion"... being so close to the word "weapon" in this case I would think the "bow" meaning would be more likely

Thus we have
"Oруже Oсо́б лу́к" = "Weapons Especially bow" or "Weapon Detached bow"

This is an interesting one given that the shape of the structure resembles a bow (... kinda).
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#92 - 2012-10-01 13:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I think recursive in this instance relates to language and grammar..

For instance, many of the words in Anoikis appear to be Portmanteaus.. Transponder, in Talocan Unsecured Perimeter Transponder Farm is one such.. I believe this to be one of the "ideas" behind the Jovian language.. Transponder = Transmitter-Responder

From the Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot;

Quote:
This deadspace pocket describes an ancient conundrum, an enigma from the ages: Whose ruins are these? A cursory glance reveals the outpost to be clearly Talocan, a race long gone in time’s vacuum. However, permeating the abandoned structures are Sleeper drones, and their influence ferments the surrounding environment. In this unknown space, more questions pervade: Why are these drones here? What are they hiding?
There are secrets in this Talocan outpost, and by the looks of it, nobody will be missing these forgotten relics. But acquiring these lost trinkets of technology will not answer that one, nagging, fundamental questions: Why are these two ancient races, so utterly disparate, sharing this space, and to whom does this outpost belong?


Forgotten Frontier.. In the above link for disparate, note the see alsos, data warehouse and information silo..

Quote:
As of 2010 the phrase "silo effect", popular in the business and organizational communities, refers to a lack of communication and common goals between departments in an organization. It is the opposite of systems thinking in an organization. The silo effect gets its name from the farm storage silo; each silo is designated for one specific grain.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Borascus
#93 - 2012-10-01 13:52:41 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
I think recursive in this instance relates to language and grammar..

For instance, many of the words in Anoikis appear to be Portmanteaus.. Transponder, in Talocan Unsecured Perimeter Transponder Farm is one such.. I believe this to be one of the "ideas" behind the Jovian language.. Transponder = Transmitter-Responder


Although, as the Talocan are masters of hyper-euclidean mathematics and spatial manipulation. The Euclidean Algorithm might be a clue to the recursive depot.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#94 - 2012-10-01 14:18:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Ya, I've always hated advanced math, and this stuff is mostly gibberish, to me.. If you guys can put some of this in layman's terms I might be able to contribute, but as it stands, I have to admit, I am mostly lost when trying to decipher the mathmatical aspects..Evil

A recurring theme ( Faulx- note the hidden gun ) I notice, though, are the terms, phantasm, nightmare and the relationship to the phantom cruiser. The Nightmare class Battleship comes to mind, as well.

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The idea that a story is always told ‘after the fact’ seems to hint at a bigger picture: humans are a victim of their past.


Note the similarities to Nation in the Sleeper society..

Echoes of this line of reasoning, humans are victims of their past, permeate the popups in The Anomoly mission;

Quote:
They called me to identify the body, and I told them she divorced me last year but they didn't care because she had no friends, no family on the planet at all. I went in and they pulled back the sheet and she was there beautiful like she was asleep, and my full name was carved delicately into her left arm like calligraphy, the blood dried like rust on parchment. Every time I closed my eyes for a full year after I saw that. I still miss her.

He promised we would go to the beach on my birthday, so we went, even though it was raining, even though we didn't know where mom was again. I was collecting shells, and I found one that was perfect and round and smooth but then I looked back to the shore and saw him just standing there, the first time I'd ever seen him cry, and I wanted to say something but couldn't, just stood there, frozen, the shell crunching in my fist, and I looked down and my hand was bleeding but I didn't feel it at all.

I'm naked and I'm walking the blue-painted halls at military academy, and it's okay because everyone gets hazed like this and I'm in better shape than all of them so I'm not ashamed, except this means they can see the scars twining from my back and down to my knees like snakes, and what starts as laughter turns into confused whispering and sounds of pity as they realize how recently I was a slave, and I want to kill them slowly just like I did the man who gave me the scars, but I just walk on, seeing only red.

"You have failed your family," he tells me with gentleness I know he's incapable of feeling. "You have dishonored us. You know what to do." And I know that the honorable thing is to fall on my sword like a good girl, so I take it out and push it through his chest and show him exactly what I think of his precious honor. I will never have to apologize again.

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Borascus
#95 - 2012-10-01 15:12:27 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Ya, I've always hated advanced math, and this stuff is mostly gibberish, to me.. If you guys can put some of this in layman's terms I might be able to contribute, but as it stands, I have to admit, I am mostly lost when trying to decipher the mathmatical aspects..Evil




I'll voice my side, unconvincing as it may seem;

Disparity amongst social groups is a situation whereby 2 different delegates of 2 different nations, can stand side by side, but share no common ground in the way their nations operate. Social inequality refers to a situation in which individual groups in a society do not have equal social status, social class, and social circle.


The Euclidean Algorithm in its simplest form, starts with a pair of positive integers and forms a new pair that consists of the smaller number and the difference between the larger and smaller numbers. The process repeats until the numbers are equal. That number then is the greatest common divisor of the original pair.

Its comparable to scaling towers of different heights down to a single standardised block, that could be used to match the heights of each tower should it be used as a construction component, meaning that the common divisor would be able to work as the only material in each tower.

The Greek mathematician from whom the Algorithm takes it's name is Euclid and he is often referred to as the Father of Geometry.

There is also an extended Euclidean algorithm, of which I know very little, that also finds integers x and y (one of which is typically negative) that satisfy Bézout's identity(which I know nothing about). However, it also has "The Recursive method: This method attempts to solve the original equation directly, by reducing the dividend and divisor gradually, from the first line to the last line, which can then be substituted with trivial value and work backward to obtain the solution." Which would be required in Digital Mathematics and Digital Physics
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#96 - 2012-10-01 15:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Recurrence and the Laws of Probability seem to reinforce my position, as I see it.. Not dispute it.. They were trying to dig out the "bad things", and finding that they are inherent details of the universe, a cosmological constant.. If that makes sense..? Something they couldn't ignore, nor take out of the equation.. So they built a system with the most inherent good, realizing that the inherent bad was a piece they couldn't remove. vis a vis, The Culture..

Quote:
In extreme cases, as described in Use of Weapons and Surface Detail, dangerous individuals have been known to be assigned a "slap-drone", a robotic follower who ensures that the person in question doesn't continue to endanger the safety of others.


Brings to mind Jamyl Sarum and The Other.. Or John Crichton and the Scorpius seed, Harvey.. The resolution of which is depicted in Hegel's famous parable of the master-slave dialectic.

Quote:
In vesting all power in his individualistic, sometime eccentric, but always benign, AI Minds, Banks knew what he was doing; this is the only way a liberal anarchy could be achieved, by taking what is best in humans and placing it beyond corruption, which means out of human control. The danger involved in this imaginative step, though, is clear; one of the problems with the Culture novels as novels is that the central characters, the Minds, are too powerful and, to put it bluntly, too good.


So it has been "adjusted" to fit the Grimdark world of Eve... Imagination far outstrips imperical science in possibilities and probabilities.. As I have reiterated repeatedly, creativity is the ability to successfully hide your sources.. Much has been and is being imagined and the likelyhood of coming up with something new and novel becomes more and more improbable.. As the new and novel becomes more improbable in it's very conception.. Especially without implementing aliens..Lol

If you can forward a premise, I can probably cite an example..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Borascus
#97 - 2012-10-01 18:07:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Roga Dracor wrote:
Recurrence and the Laws of Probability seem to reinforce my position, as I see it.. Not dispute it.. They were trying to dig out the "bad things", and finding that they are inherent details of the universe, a cosmological constant.. If that makes sense..? Something they couldn't ignore, nor take out of the equation.. So they built a system with the most inherent good, realizing that the inherent bad was a piece they couldn't remove. vis a vis, The Culture..

Quote:
In extreme cases, as described in Use of Weapons and Surface Detail, dangerous individuals have been known to be assigned a "slap-drone", a robotic follower who ensures that the person in question doesn't continue to endanger the safety of others.


Brings to mind Jamyl Sarum and The Other..

Quote:
In vesting all power in his individualistic, sometime eccentric, but always benign, AI Minds, Banks knew what he was doing; this is the only way a liberal anarchy could be achieved, by taking what is best in humans and placing it beyond corruption, which means out of human control. The danger involved in this imaginative step, though, is clear; one of the problems with the Culture novels as novels is that the central characters, the Minds, are too powerful and, to put it bluntly, too good.


So it has been "adjusted" to fit the Grimdark world of Eve...


This would all entail that the Sleeper Stock classed as Savants and Masters of their field were bound to failure based on their personal abilities.

The calculation time The Construct has had, compared to how much was vested in its creation, is too long for them not to have completed their goals. 'Talocan friends' would not be indicative of the torn sheets of metal, the apparent social collapse and abandoned existence prevalent in the area. If you know you are driving to fast to stop you slow down, but inside The Construct they've been in a dilated existence whereby the time since they set off is longer than the human race had been in existence before they set off. They would likely have had double the life-term of 18000AD by the time they arrived at Anoikis. Thanks to the accelerated experience.

Besides; Jamyl refers to the Construct as rapturous which illustrates moreso that individuality within the Construct would be a myth. Every character trait, though, loses its advantage when it is the most common trait.

In the Chronicle The Armageddon Project Jamyl Sarum's Superweapon is ascribed as a research project of the Jovians. Torfi Frans makes the greatest of accountability errors in this video saying "Unstable wormholes......Of course; they were always there, you just didn't notice them" at 1:45 in the video. He talks about a lot of Stuff and also that the name for the Summer expansion still hadn't received a name, the name chosen was apocrypha; the Greek means "Those hidden away" but the normal means "Esoteric, Spurious and Of questionable authenticity"
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#98 - 2012-10-01 23:15:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
A good link to many of the ideas that pervade New Eden and the likely End Game of the Jovians is the Omega Point, here you can find more links to fictions that touch upon about everything we have discussed..

Given that Eve is a moneymaking venture for CCP, it is doubtful this end game will be reached, but, a possibility is that the Jovians are running a simulation of reality far into the future, using the time dilation possible in The Construct to answer the Last Question.. Damn fine list of fiction there at the bottom..Blink

From the Mirror;

6.0 Anti-Thermocryogenesis Research and Implementation

If I understand the terminology correctly, a method to reverse the entropy effect at the end times of a closed universe, or a method to counteract the Big Freeze in an open universe. I lean toward the first option...

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Huckstero
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2012-10-02 14:03:30 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
At the moment, I'm looking for novel approaches for looking at OSOBNYK.

I've ruled out


As elements we end up with:

Oxygen-Silicon-Oxygen-Boron-Nitrogen-Yttrium-Potassium
Osmium-Oxygen-Boron-Nitrogen-Yttrium-Potassium

Searching for compounds including these results in nothing obvious, but do tend to end up leading to ceramics.


Guys - OSOBNYK is a slightly modified version of Polish "osobnik" which means "an individual" or "a person". Mostly used as a negative word like "podejrzany osobnik" (suspicious individual). Oruze doesn't mean anything in Polish.

Cheers from .pl ;)
Huckstero
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2012-10-02 14:10:54 UTC
Faulx wrote:
From what i can tell the "-ść" ending is the proper grammatical way to append the "-ści" (meaning "has the quality of") ending to particular words such as "osobn". The usage is similar to the English, "pepper" + '-y' = "peppery" meaning "has the [spicy] quality of pepper".

Edit: possibly useful reference (this doesn't seem to cover anything like the osoba case, but does show how ść and -ści are related)

Edit: It looks like either ending is valid and can make for huge differences in meaning:
"osobność" is "individuality" or "separateness" (these seem to be grand ideal concepts)
"osobności" is "alone" or "private" (these seem to be particular states of being)


osobność is singular, osobności is plural or when used in a sentence (like below) with specific ending (-i) . That's the only difference. I can think of the only case of use the word "osobność" when you say "Czy mogę z Tobą porozmawiać na osobności"? (Can I talk with you in private? (literally: on the side).