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celebro
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#121 - 2012-08-29 18:15:27 UTC  |  Edited by: celebro
Frostys Virpio wrote:
celebro wrote:
I mostly care about is the yield/hour not complaining about the cargo hold of the hulk or anything else, but if the better option for 2 accounts is 2x macks (to max your yield). I'll have to drop my hulk+orca setup, then in my view it's a hulk nerf.

I understand that on it's own ( with no alts) the hulk is worse than the other options but at least with orca support on its own it should be better. Specialised fleet mining ship, yet 2 accounts makes a fleet afaik. Roll


It's not a nerf because the hulk didn't lose any yield. A new better option appeared but you could ahve the ewxact same yield as before without switching anything. That means you didn't get any nerf at all since you can do exactly the same for the exact same results.


Technically your are right its not a nerf, more of a 'stealth nerf' . You are only as rich as the poorest man. If you buff the other mining ships , specially the T1's then you will realise there is no big advantage gap anymore, also take note it's a free market, prices will go way down as everyone and their mother can get quite decent yields compared to the hulk.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#122 - 2012-08-29 18:55:54 UTC
celebro wrote:
Technically your are right its not a nerf, more of a 'stealth nerf' . You are only as rich as the poorest man. If you buff the other mining ships , specially the T1's then you will realise there is no big advantage gap anymore, also take note it's a free market, prices will go way down as everyone and their mother can get quite decent yields compared to the hulk.


I dunno, barge changes have been in for quite awhile now and both trit and pye are still right up there, price-wise. Both minerals have fallen back a bit from their highs, but not by all that much. If the new barges were flooding the market with cheap minerals, I think we'd have seen more profound effects by now.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#123 - 2012-08-29 19:09:19 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
celebro wrote:
Technically your are right its not a nerf, more of a 'stealth nerf' . You are only as rich as the poorest man. If you buff the other mining ships , specially the T1's then you will realise there is no big advantage gap anymore, also take note it's a free market, prices will go way down as everyone and their mother can get quite decent yields compared to the hulk.


I dunno, barge changes have been in for quite awhile now and both trit and pye are still right up there, price-wise. Both minerals have fallen back a bit from their highs, but not by all that much. If the new barges were flooding the market with cheap minerals, I think we'd have seen more profound effects by now.


they're not flooding the market yet. Remember, we're still in the tail end of the summer slump as far as players go. we'll probably see prices start falling in September/October...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-08-29 19:09:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
celebro wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
celebro wrote:
I mostly care about is the yield/hour not complaining about the cargo hold of the hulk or anything else, but if the better option for 2 accounts is 2x macks (to max your yield). I'll have to drop my hulk+orca setup, then in my view it's a hulk nerf.

I understand that on it's own ( with no alts) the hulk is worse than the other options but at least with orca support on its own it should be better. Specialised fleet mining ship, yet 2 accounts makes a fleet afaik. Roll


It's not a nerf because the hulk didn't lose any yield. A new better option appeared but you could ahve the ewxact same yield as before without switching anything. That means you didn't get any nerf at all since you can do exactly the same for the exact same results.


Technically your are right its not a nerf, more of a 'stealth nerf' . You are only as rich as the poorest man. If you buff the other mining ships , specially the T1's then you will realise there is no big advantage gap anymore, also take note it's a free market, prices will go way down as everyone and their mother can get quite decent yields compared to the hulk.


It's still not a nerf to your yields. The value of trit and such were modified because the supply is higher than it was before but everybody "suffer" from this as all miner have some trit to sell. Your hulk didn't get nerfed unless you didn;t use it the right way. The only way someone can say his hulk was nerfet is if he was an idiot shitfitting his hulk for cargo space thus creating a paper hulk. He lost the possibility to make his paper hulk but this role is now covered by a ship much better at it, the mack. For anyone who was using the hulk with either cans or hauler support, there were no nerf at all. It is no longer the only good ship to mine and some solution it will get beaten by another ship but that is a GOOD thing. Buy the right ship to do the job you want and thats all. If you keep thinking you got somehow nerfed, it's because you are looking for problems where there are none.

EDIT :

Velicitia wrote:


they're not flooding the market yet. Remember, we're still in the tail end of the summer slump as far as players go. we'll probably see prices start falling in September/October...


The miners coming back at the end of summer will at least be partially countered by the pvpers coming back at the end of summer blowing up more ships thus requiring more replacement.
Crewsus Zork
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2012-09-29 07:13:23 UTC
I am not a hard core gamer. I have two accounts, but I do not spend hours every week to play.
Been very happy with the game, the endless exploring and the feeling that I can never master all aspects of the game. WONDERFUL and beats all other MMOs any day!
Until today, when I login with my second account and realise that the rigs I bought for my Hulk (approximately 200.000.000 ISK) are useless.

I could easily have overlooked this if I could remove the rigs and get my hard earned ISK back.
But sadly this is not the case and in my opinion someone stole 200.000.000 ISK from me. Not another player, that would be part of the game, but CCP who possibly could point to some section in the EULA to defend this.

You should really think things through and consider the consequences for those affected by the changes you make. I bought those rigs to increase cargo hold. Yes, those modules still do the same job, but they are working with different figures. 2-300 m3 is not worth 200 MISK.

I do understand your aim to make mining more of an art, but I think it was executed with a lack of respect.

It may seem ridiculous to take something virtual this serious. But in the end it is time and money we are talking about, and that is important and should be respected.

I will give this some serious thought before I decide wether to quit this game or forgive and forget.
Hopefully it is enough just to write some of the heat off and send this to you so you at least can be aware how your decision affected me.

The strongest incentive we have to develop faster-than-light travel is to be able to apologize in advance for Justin Bieber.
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#126 - 2012-09-29 14:50:00 UTC
Crewsus Zork wrote:
I am not a hard core gamer. I have two accounts, but I do not spend hours every week to play.
Been very happy with the game, the endless exploring and the feeling that I can never master all aspects of the game. WONDERFUL and beats all other MMOs any day!
Until today, when I login with my second account and realise that the rigs I bought for my Hulk (approximately 200.000.000 ISK) are useless.

I could easily have overlooked this if I could remove the rigs and get my hard earned ISK back.
But sadly this is not the case and in my opinion someone stole 200.000.000 ISK from me. Not another player, that would be part of the game, but CCP who possibly could point to some section in the EULA to defend this.

You should really think things through and consider the consequences for those affected by the changes you make. I bought those rigs to increase cargo hold. Yes, those modules still do the same job, but they are working with different figures. 2-300 m3 is not worth 200 MISK.

I do understand your aim to make mining more of an art, but I think it was executed with a lack of respect.

It may seem ridiculous to take something virtual this serious. But in the end it is time and money we are talking about, and that is important and should be respected.

I will give this some serious thought before I decide wether to quit this game or forgive and forget.
Hopefully it is enough just to write some of the heat off and send this to you so you at least can be aware how your decision affected me.


200 million ISK is small change even to me and I'm just a high sec peasant. Oops

On the issue of increasing cargo/ore space on a Hulk or any other mining vessel even before the ship balancing changes you should not have been using cargo rigs/expanders. You should be fitting something to improve your tank in those rig slots. A maximum of one T2 MLU and a DC II in the low slots with as much tanking modules as you can fit in the mids. Mine with a view to safety but you need the tank to cover for when you mess up. Which if you are careful will not happen too often. Smile
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-09-29 17:00:50 UTC
Crewsus Zork wrote:
I am not a hard core gamer. I have two accounts, but I do not spend hours every week to play.
Been very happy with the game, the endless exploring and the feeling that I can never master all aspects of the game. WONDERFUL and beats all other MMOs any day!
Until today, when I login with my second account and realise that the rigs I bought for my Hulk (approximately 200.000.000 ISK) are useless.

I could easily have overlooked this if I could remove the rigs and get my hard earned ISK back.
But sadly this is not the case and in my opinion someone stole 200.000.000 ISK from me. Not another player, that would be part of the game, but CCP who possibly could point to some section in the EULA to defend this.

You should really think things through and consider the consequences for those affected by the changes you make. I bought those rigs to increase cargo hold. Yes, those modules still do the same job, but they are working with different figures. 2-300 m3 is not worth 200 MISK.

I do understand your aim to make mining more of an art, but I think it was executed with a lack of respect.

It may seem ridiculous to take something virtual this serious. But in the end it is time and money we are talking about, and that is important and should be respected.

I will give this some serious thought before I decide wether to quit this game or forgive and forget.
Hopefully it is enough just to write some of the heat off and send this to you so you at least can be aware how your decision affected me.


Mail em your stuff and quit if you still can't understand how the hulk was not nerfed and still don't understand stuff always cahnge in MOs.
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-09-30 22:25:17 UTC
Actually, the Hulk got nerfed. It lost some resists. Yes, it got some EHP for it, but that's not needed for mining anyway. Resists came much more handy :) I never needed the EHP, those resists however... I "used" them everytime I mined in Hulks. ;)
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2012-10-01 03:42:44 UTC
There was no nerf. If you fitted your hulk for max yield before the "nerf" you were actually making less then then you are now. If you fitted for max yield you are still making more now then you were before.

A mackinaw now makes as much as a hulk did fitted for max yield. So instead of being an idiot and fitting a hulk for max cargohold you can now use a mackinaw with more m3 space, cheaper cost to yield as much as your hulk as a max cargohold did in the past.

So by "nerf" I'm guessing you mean cheaper ship with more cargohold that yields as much as you did in the past...
Crewsus Zork
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2012-10-01 07:17:46 UTC
Wow...insightful comments. Thanks!

I now understand that when you buy rigs you should always bear in mind that CCP might make a change that renders your purchase useless.

I now understand that I was an idiot to fit for max cargo hold for solo mining and not realising that CCP would make changes this way in the future. I see it now, reason and logic in action.

I also understand that 200 million ISK is not much to anyone, the hours it would take me to make them is nothing, hence I understand that EVE is not for casual gamers.

The strongest incentive we have to develop faster-than-light travel is to be able to apologize in advance for Justin Bieber.
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#131 - 2012-10-01 10:12:48 UTC
Crewsus Zork wrote:
Wow...insightful comments. Thanks!

I now understand that when you buy rigs you should always bear in mind that CCP might make a change that renders your purchase useless.

I now understand that I was an idiot to fit for max cargo hold for solo mining and not realising that CCP would make changes this way in the future. I see it now, reason and logic in action.

I also understand that 200 million ISK is not much to anyone, the hours it would take me to make them is nothing, hence I understand that EVE is not for casual gamers.


Oh come on. Don't be a whiny carebear ffs.
You lost 200 mil because CCP changed something - get over it, that happens.
Crewsus Zork
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#132 - 2012-10-01 10:54:50 UTC
Hans Momaki wrote:
Crewsus Zork wrote:
Wow...insightful comments. Thanks!

I now understand that when you buy rigs you should always bear in mind that CCP might make a change that renders your purchase useless.

I now understand that I was an idiot to fit for max cargo hold for solo mining and not realising that CCP would make changes this way in the future. I see it now, reason and logic in action.

I also understand that 200 million ISK is not much to anyone, the hours it would take me to make them is nothing, hence I understand that EVE is not for casual gamers.


Oh come on. Don't be a whiny carebear ffs.
You lost 200 mil because CCP changed something - get over it, that happens.


Won't be, cancelled my second account used for mining and will explore something else.

The strongest incentive we have to develop faster-than-light travel is to be able to apologize in advance for Justin Bieber.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#133 - 2012-10-01 14:29:56 UTC
Crewsus Zork wrote:
Hans Momaki wrote:
Crewsus Zork wrote:
Wow...insightful comments. Thanks!

I now understand that when you buy rigs you should always bear in mind that CCP might make a change that renders your purchase useless.

I now understand that I was an idiot to fit for max cargo hold for solo mining and not realising that CCP would make changes this way in the future. I see it now, reason and logic in action.

I also understand that 200 million ISK is not much to anyone, the hours it would take me to make them is nothing, hence I understand that EVE is not for casual gamers.


Oh come on. Don't be a whiny carebear ffs.
You lost 200 mil because CCP changed something - get over it, that happens.


Won't be, cancelled my second account used for mining and will explore something else.


You should of bought a mack and AFK mined it...

I will still accept contract of your stuff since you are quitting btw.
aoe dps
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#134 - 2012-10-01 15:02:31 UTC
Crewsus Zork wrote:
Hans Momaki wrote:
Crewsus Zork wrote:
Wow...insightful comments. Thanks!

I now understand that when you buy rigs you should always bear in mind that CCP might make a change that renders your purchase useless.

I now understand that I was an idiot to fit for max cargo hold for solo mining and not realising that CCP would make changes this way in the future. I see it now, reason and logic in action.

I also understand that 200 million ISK is not much to anyone, the hours it would take me to make them is nothing, hence I understand that EVE is not for casual gamers.


Oh come on. Don't be a whiny carebear ffs.
You lost 200 mil because CCP changed something - get over it, that happens.


Won't be, cancelled my second account used for mining and will explore something else.


Good riddance. Crybaby. Try reading a dev blog, the "show info > attributes" section, or pay minor attention and keep up with the times. The only people sad to see you go are tear-farmers, because lets face it, you're a Whale

i am a posting alt. "He doesn't believe in taking into consideration any facts that might detract from his argument"
Crewsus Zork
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2012-10-01 16:57:50 UTC
Didn't say I was quitting the game, only cancelled my second account.

Crybaby? Well, perhaps now when I have settled down I can realise I was a bit of a drama queen.
I am just surprised that stats on an item can be changed just like that, never heard of it.
I was also surprised that everyone was fine with this and beat down on what I thought, at the time, was a fair complaint.
It is not like I whine about station walking and then when I finally get it I whine about what is wrong with it...

But the mining days are over and I have put this in the "lessons learned"-archive.

The strongest incentive we have to develop faster-than-light travel is to be able to apologize in advance for Justin Bieber.