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[Winter] ORE frigate

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Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#221 - 2012-09-29 13:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Aiko
I'm a bit worried about the +2 warp strengh : it's something fast, and cheap. Moreover this ship won't have a sensor penality.
meaning ; on low sec you don't have a real reason to bother chasing this cheap thing, which is already hard to catch.
On null you have bubbles at least, but who will bother forming a fleet to catch a tech1 frigate ?
And I wouldn't be surprised if people use this hull as a bait tackler : people won't be scared by seeing a mining frigate on scan, and when it'll appear on overview, and pve-ers will be catched easily, pointed while a real pvp ship warp here and finish the job, if the mining frigate takes to much damage it can warpout anytime with his warp bonus.
Well this idea may not be a bad design, but I wonder.
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#222 - 2012-09-30 10:36:27 UTC
Finally, a ship made for gas harvesting! Thank you CCP! Big smile
Iq Cadaen
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#223 - 2012-10-01 09:04:34 UTC
Arele wrote:
WH gassers are going to love this.
No.

If it had 110%+ yield at V with T2 harvesters compared to a 5x T2 harvester cruiser/BC then it would be an improvement. Right now it's just a waste of time. The ore/gas hold isn't really a selling point.
Malken
Sleiipniir
#224 - 2012-10-01 10:02:26 UTC
with CCP giving away +wcs strength to new ships can i have a light dictor that can warp cloaked pls.

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Iq Cadaen
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#225 - 2012-10-01 10:13:33 UTC
Arele wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Terrenor h'qarr wrote:
I don't understand the point of having a specialized ship if it's not going to out perform what we use today. IMO it needs an additional turret hardpoint to make it worthwhile. I know it's a frigate, and most people that harvest gas are using cruisers or BC's, but cmon man. You've already got 3 highs in there...just give it that third hardpoint and make everyone happy.



Because it's /not/ a gas specialist.

It's a replacement for the basic mining frigates. Which happens to also have a bonus to gas.

^^ Hey, someone actually gets it!

This is a NEWBIE FOCUSED MINING FRIGATE, which also happens to have a gas bonus, so that once the newbies move on from this frigate into a barge (which doesn't take long at all), the ship won't be totally useless.
How many newbies do you actually know that would drop 22 mill on a Gas Cloud Harvesting skill book?
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#226 - 2012-10-01 14:15:36 UTC
Hey folks, just quickly passing by to tell you the Gas Cloud Harvesting amount bonus on this ship has been swapped for a Gas Cloud Harvesting duration reduction to account for your comments on the skill progression that didn't scale well. It also makes the ship a bit more viable with fully trained skills, as it increases its output from 5 theoretical gas harvesters to 5.33.
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#227 - 2012-10-01 14:40:59 UTC
Name ideas:

Annexer, collector, securer, ransacker, recoverer, inheriter

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Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#228 - 2012-10-01 15:51:44 UTC
Please call it CHRIBBA !!1

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Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2012-10-01 17:04:22 UTC
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
Name ideas:

Annexer, collector, securer, ransacker, recoverer, inheriter



How about the fracturer? or FRACKER for short!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracking

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2012-10-01 18:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Hey folks, just quickly passing by to tell you the Gas Cloud Harvesting amount bonus on this ship has been swapped for a Gas Cloud Harvesting duration reduction to account for your comments on the skill progression that didn't scale well. It also makes the ship a bit more viable with fully trained skills, as it increases its output from 5 theoretical gas harvesters to 5.33.


5.3 is better than no bonuses I guess... Good work Smile

Edit: actually, just go ahead and round round it up to 5.5. That is all Blink

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Infinite Force
#231 - 2012-10-01 19:02:01 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Hey folks, just quickly passing by to tell you the Gas Cloud Harvesting amount bonus on this ship has been swapped for a Gas Cloud Harvesting duration reduction to account for your comments on the skill progression that didn't scale well. It also makes the ship a bit more viable with fully trained skills, as it increases its output from 5 theoretical gas harvesters to 5.33.

Can we get the OP to reflect this change, please?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2012-10-01 19:16:07 UTC
Iq Cadaen wrote:
Arele wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Terrenor h'qarr wrote:
I don't understand the point of having a specialized ship if it's not going to out perform what we use today. IMO it needs an additional turret hardpoint to make it worthwhile. I know it's a frigate, and most people that harvest gas are using cruisers or BC's, but cmon man. You've already got 3 highs in there...just give it that third hardpoint and make everyone happy.



Because it's /not/ a gas specialist.

It's a replacement for the basic mining frigates. Which happens to also have a bonus to gas.

^^ Hey, someone actually gets it!

This is a NEWBIE FOCUSED MINING FRIGATE, which also happens to have a gas bonus, so that once the newbies move on from this frigate into a barge (which doesn't take long at all), the ship won't be totally useless.
How many newbies do you actually know that would drop 22 mill on a Gas Cloud Harvesting skill book?

This ship isn't limited to gas harvesting.
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#233 - 2012-10-01 19:30:19 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Hey folks, just quickly passing by to tell you the Gas Cloud Harvesting amount bonus on this ship has been swapped for a Gas Cloud Harvesting duration reduction to account for your comments on the skill progression that didn't scale well. It also makes the ship a bit more viable with fully trained skills, as it increases its output from 5 theoretical gas harvesters to 5.33.


wanna give it a bonus to survey scanners as well? Blink
JcJet
Delta High-Grade Society
#234 - 2012-10-01 22:26:29 UTC  |  Edited by: JcJet
A ship with 3 hardpoints on the model but 2 in the info is ugly. BLAH.

Don't be so cheap, it's a noobie miner anyway. Or make it withh 3 turrets but reduce the bonus. Or at least add 1 missile hardpoint, so it'll not be so ugly with an empty hardpoint.
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
#235 - 2012-10-01 22:49:16 UTC
JcJet wrote:
A ship with 3 hardpoints on the model but 2 in the info is ugly. BLAH.

Don't be so cheap, it's a noobie miner anyway. Or make it withh 3 turrets but reduce the bonus. Or at least add 1 missile hardpoint, so it'll not be so ugly with an empty hardpoint.

last turret is probably for tractor or salvager, jetcanning can still happen even with 5k M3 ore hold, that or salvaging loot from highsec rats
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#236 - 2012-10-01 22:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Hello folks, Constructive comments are welcome Pirate



CCP Ytterbium,

This is the perfect time to change how the gas harvesting skill works. each lvl giving an extra harvester? only if you guys are planning to create a better gas harvester with 5 slots latter...

And Everyone is asking the same question, why only 2 turrets with 3 slots in the model? why Ytterbium?

thx for attention.

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#237 - 2012-10-02 02:45:32 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Evil Clever girl.


If this frigate becomes EVE's best gas-sucking ship, then where is the worthwhileness of training the Gas Mining skill above 2? Lots of players have already trained it to 4 or even 5, and if you don't give them a gas mining ship that allows them to utilize that high skill, they're going to be upset.

I'd also like to hear about the rounding down issue with regards to gas amounts. Will it actually work as intended, with the full +150% bonus, or will it round down and screw us?
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#238 - 2012-10-02 02:54:07 UTC
Tanaka Aiko wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Doddy wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

  • The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
  • The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
  • As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.


Bonus needs to be bigger so its not pointless training ore frig 5 to do the job a destroyer or cruiser can do at level 1. 10% instead of 5% would do it, the damage tanking is fine, even in null there are sites that do no damage and it seems reasonable that someone would need a cruiser hull stank for the big sites.


cool did not know destroyers had cargo hold of 5k

gas takes very little space you know


Level 4 gas mining missions require you to haul home a bit over 4000 m3. That's 4k m3. That's a lot of space, given that Barges and Exhumers can't be used for those missions, since they can't fit Gas Miner modules.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#239 - 2012-10-02 03:41:27 UTC
Salpad wrote:
If this frigate becomes EVE's best gas-sucking ship, then where is the worthwhileness of training the Gas Mining skill above 2? Lots of players have already trained it to 4 or even 5, and if you don't give them a gas mining ship that allows them to utilize that high skill, they're going to be upset.

I'd also like to hear about the rounding down issue with regards to gas amounts. Will it actually work as intended, with the full +150% bonus, or will it round down and screw us?

You might want to actually read the whole thread; unlike a lot of them in this forum this one is short.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#240 - 2012-10-02 04:44:31 UTC
gas harvesting to 5, so you can fit T2 harvesters and double your yield?

Woo! CSM XI!

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