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factional warfare, is it worth it?

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Yorick rashnikov
The Illuminatii
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#1 - 2012-09-30 18:36:41 UTC
so i've been thinking about getting in to factional warfare, but it's kind of a ''blindspot'' for me as i have never heard a lot about it.
so i'm just checking in to hear if it's worth it.
i've always been wondering about how you make a living doing it, and if you get anything for killing other players.

so, let me hear about your experiences in factional warfare, do you think it's worth it? is it any fun? and what milita should i consider joining?
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2012-09-30 18:40:58 UTC
I've found it to be a lot of fun, personally.

There are many ways of making money, especially if you're good at PVP and fly with a good corp or fleet.

There are differing opinions of course, this being EVE, but its one of my favourite parts along with Wormholing.

Thanks and fly safe!

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#3 - 2012-09-30 18:41:24 UTC
It's worth it but only if you find a corp you can really work well with, get involved with the war and aim to make some kind of impact. It's hard to enjoy FW if you are only in the npc corps.
Yorick rashnikov
The Illuminatii
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#4 - 2012-09-30 18:43:09 UTC
Cheers, i've been thinking about joining the Gallente milita (a corp thats a member of it ofc.) but i know that i need a +1 standing in order to do so.
my standing is half-bad (-2) so any ideas how to grind it up in a hurry?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#5 - 2012-09-30 19:22:58 UTC
I can't tell you how much it pains me to say this, but unless you are simply wanting to grind ISK it's not really worth it at this time.

You would think that the point of FW would be to constantly strive to take control of systems away from the opposition, and make some ISK along the way.

Unfortunately, that is not the case. Many corps purposefully strive to keep as many systems as possible in a vulnerable state without actually taking them. This allows them to farm ISK in various ways until they get to a point where they want to "Cash Out" their loyalty points... then they flip a bunch of systems in one day, turn in their points, and let things then revert back.

They go so far as to get extremely hostile to members of their own militia if they actually try to take systems.

So at the moment FW is badly broken, with AFK speed tanking of complexes and kiting missions with stealth bombers to milk LP's being the main objectives.

CCP has come to realize the flaws in their recent FW revamp and are now focused on addressing those issues in the next expansion.

I sincerely hope they succeed, as FW has huge potential.

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Yorick rashnikov
The Illuminatii
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#6 - 2012-09-30 19:39:11 UTC
do you get LP for shooting players in other militias or only from offensive (and defensive?) plexing?
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#7 - 2012-09-30 20:34:23 UTC
Worth it? Wasn't there some trick where you could get billions of isk with little effort? Smile

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Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-09-30 20:41:18 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Worth it? Wasn't there some trick where you could get billions of isk with little effort? Smile



NO......Stop...
Elli M0o
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-09-30 20:46:28 UTC
how do i go about doing that afk plexing for lp? Is there a guide or something that you guys think will help me?
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-09-30 20:51:17 UTC
Elli M0o wrote:
how do i go about doing that afk plexing for lp? Is there a guide or something that you guys think will help me?


Join Amarr militia and they will help you out with all you need to know.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#11 - 2012-09-30 23:52:03 UTC
Which Militia needs the most help?

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-09-30 23:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Athena Themis wrote:
Elli M0o wrote:
how do i go about doing that afk plexing for lp? Is there a guide or something that you guys think will help me?


Join Amarr militia and they will help you out with all you need to know.
How many systems do the Amarr control now, eight?

Val'Dore wrote:
Which Militia needs the most help?
Amarr no doubt, although I hear the Gallente militia provides great small gang pvp action with groups of players experienced in faction warfare.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#13 - 2012-10-01 00:36:59 UTC
Why did Amarr start off and end bad compare to Minmatar who are dominating and getting Tier 5 consistently?

What makes it harder for Amarr to achieve the same thing that Minmatar can?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-10-01 00:38:08 UTC
Had a blast in FW with Garmon.

The 6 man disco BS fleet we formed took out 50 FW noobs and we only lost 1 P

He couldn't warp out because he was laughing too hard

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-10-01 00:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
Why did Amarr start off and end bad compare to Minmatar who are dominating and getting Tier 5 consistently?

What makes it harder for Amarr to achieve the same thing that Minmatar can?
Not quite clear on the details but apparently when CCP revamped FW last time Goons (surprise surprise) found some kind of mathmatical thing and gamed the hell out of it for billions in isk and ever since the balance between Minmatar and Amarr has been fubar.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#16 - 2012-10-01 03:15:33 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
Elli M0o wrote:
how do i go about doing that afk plexing for lp? Is there a guide or something that you guys think will help me?


Join Amarr militia and they will help you out with all you need to know.
How many systems do the Amarr control now, eight?

Val'Dore wrote:
Which Militia needs the most help?
Amarr no doubt, although I hear the Gallente militia provides great small gang pvp action with groups of players experienced in faction warfare.

Big smileBig smileBig smile

Yes, Amarr currently control 8, the rest technically belong to Minmatar... however 2/3rds of the systems the Minmatar have are purposefully left in a vulnerable state. It's much move convenient to farm LP's that way.

Whenever the larger groups in the Amarr Militia decide they wish to cash out they flip all those systems at will to reach tier 4 or 5 (usually preceded with a drive to put all but a few of the Minmatar systems into a "Vulnerable" state).

They only need keep those systems flipped for a day to make their purchases, then let the Minmatar reclaim them and simply keep the majority "Vulnerable" as they accrue LP's from all of the farm-able Minmatar systems scattered conveniently about. It's more difficult to accrue LP's when you have to travel a long distance to a few well defended systems to earn your LP's. Better to keep the Minmatar spread thin in all the systems they "own" and only have to travel a jump or two. Taking the enemies systems actually makes things more difficult.

Other than cash out day there is zero incentive to work with other Militia members (ouside of making sure a handful of systems remain in Amarr control to maintain ease of access to the best farming area's), and while you do gain LP's for killing the opposing faction it pales in comparison to the LP payouts for PLEXing hostiles systems and running FW missions.

So if farming is your goal, FW is well worth the time and effort. If you are of a more serious mind and wish to see results for your efforts aside from simply watching your wallet grow... not so much.

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-10-01 03:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Ranger 1 wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Athena Themis wrote:
Elli M0o wrote:
how do i go about doing that afk plexing for lp? Is there a guide or something that you guys think will help me?


Join Amarr militia and they will help you out with all you need to know.
How many systems do the Amarr control now, eight?

Val'Dore wrote:
Which Militia needs the most help?
Amarr no doubt, although I hear the Gallente militia provides great small gang pvp action with groups of players experienced in faction warfare.

Big smileBig smileBig smile

Yes, Amarr currently control 8, the rest technically belong to Minmatar... however 2/3rds of the systems the Minmatar have are purposefully left in a vulnerable state. It's much move convenient to farm LP's that way.

Whenever the larger groups in the Amarr Militia decide they wish to cash out they flip all those systems at will to reach tier 4 or 5 (usually preceded with a drive to put all but a few of the Minmatar systems into a "Vulnerable" state).

They only need keep those systems flipped for a day to make their purchases, then let the Minmatar reclaim them and simply keep the majority "Vulnerable" as they accrue LP's from all of the farm-able Minmatar systems scattered conveniently about. It's more difficult to accrue LP's when you have to travel a long distance to a few well defended systems to earn your LP's. Better to keep the Minmatar spread thin in all the systems they "own" and only have to travel a jump or two. Taking the enemies systems actually makes things more difficult.

Other than cash out day there is zero incentive to work with other Militia members (ouside of making sure a handful of systems remain in Amarr control to maintain ease of access to the best farming area's), and while you do gain LP's for killing the opposing faction it pales in comparison to the LP payouts for PLEXing hostiles systems and running FW missions.

So if farming is your goal, FW is well worth the time and effort. If you are of a more serious mind and wish to see results for your efforts aside from simply watching your wallet grow... not so much.
And here I thought FW was the path to realizing my dreams as a hot shot capsuleer serving the Gallente Federation, when it seems FW is just another shallow isk farming mechanism devoid of any grand scifi adventure "meaning".

Damn, only a month in and I'm already feeling bitter.Ugh
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#18 - 2012-10-01 05:44:38 UTC
Yorick rashnikov wrote:
do you get LP for shooting players in other militias or only from offensive (and defensive?) plexing?


The vast, vast majority of LP is earned through orbiting some object in a plex for 10 minutes, in an unarmed ship, usually a T1 frig speed-tanked, An 3 day old alt in an Incurses can make billions of ISK/ day.
Herr Hammer Draken
#19 - 2012-10-01 08:03:41 UTC
Human players always find ways to bend the game mechanics to subvert the game into something it was not intended to do.
Then abuse it as much as possible. It is the MMO players mantra. Every dev knows this as well. Yet this game persists between player and dev. So if that makes you bitter well no MMO will ever be free of it anywhere.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Elli M0o
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-10-01 14:12:19 UTC
So if i got this right, plexing in a system belonging to enemy, but vulnerable has the most benefit.

Plexing in a system belonging to my faction but vulnerable - is this done? why?

Can plexing be done in enemy system those are not vulnerable?

when i enter enemy systems, it says shoot the ihub to flip the system. What is the benefit in that apart from getting ownership? how do i find the ihub?
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