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Dev blog: New Eden Open $10.000 Tournament

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2012-10-01 00:44:40 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The bids are the cherry that tops the cake. CCP could actually be earning money by advertising itself for free. Lol
They are advertising itself for free, aren't they? Isn't the cash-money prizes coming out of Own3D's pocket? (I may have missed a post that states otherwise.)
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#202 - 2012-10-01 00:45:58 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Firstly this is the first ever tournament. If they find what is being charged etc isn't providing the correct results, it will change. It's all experimental (like the best college years) and therefore the best thing for everyone to do is just run with it and see what happens.
But why does CCP tend to err to high, rather than too low? (Monocles, anyone?)
Samson Davis
Jormungandr Syndicate
#203 - 2012-10-01 01:02:20 UTC
I am excited to watch this.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#204 - 2012-10-01 02:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Firstly this is the first ever tournament. If they find what is being charged etc isn't providing the correct results, it will change. It's all experimental (like the best college years) and therefore the best thing for everyone to do is just run with it and see what happens.
But why does CCP tend to err to high, rather than too low? (Monocles, anyone?)


Because that's what I'd do if I was running a business and I wasn't sure which price to go with (high or low) I'd pick high and then if no-one liked it move to low.

Why?

Because "We've halved the price" sounds better then "We've double the price" if you're wrong.

Plus though CCP wont admit this, I'm assuming this first one is basically a low risk experiment to see what works and what doesn't before they set up a variety of possibly lower barrier options. For example 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 tournaments. Fact is this is AT but with a few twists, AT works, it's popular and they know roughly what type of people will turn up.

If this works they can take a step further away from the AT format in one direction with this one, and go the opposite with another.

Personally I like the idea of having a Corporation that exists solely to scour the galaxy to make the best CT team they can possibly get, funded by sponsors to put together an all star team.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#205 - 2012-10-01 06:37:31 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
*snip*

1 plex= 15 USD/EUR
20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR
32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR

It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.

Cunning dudes.
$9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry.

I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization.


3 posts later...

Pipa Porto wrote:
You're missing the substantial production costs.


Lol

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Otherworld Empire
#206 - 2012-10-01 07:20:58 UTC
Now that's an incentive to start pvp'ing... if one knew how haha

I look forward to watch and follow this!

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Pipa Porto
#207 - 2012-10-01 08:10:44 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
*snip*

1 plex= 15 USD/EUR
20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR
32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR

It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.

Cunning dudes.
$9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry.

I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization.


3 posts later...

Pipa Porto wrote:
You're missing the substantial production costs.


Lol


The AT cost CCP money to put on after taking into account the fact that most of the staff volunteered time for it and the PLEX they took in in application fees.

This is probably going to cost them as much or more (who knows how willing the staff will be to volunteer now that it's clearly and e-sports promotion). Even considering the fact that CCP isn't producing the $10k prize pool.

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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#208 - 2012-10-01 09:55:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
CCP Bro wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:

Already answered this earlier.

Yes there will be a studio

Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP

No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.


I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback?

Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program.


That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions.

It is worth noting that this isn't an end all tournament or a grand finale. This is the first step on a hopefully long, entertaining and successful road. Also, the main purpose of this tournament is to engage you, the community, and bring you a full scale tournament production for your entertainment, whether you partake in the tournament or just opt to watch it.

During ATX we received positive feedback and were asked multiple times, why don't you do more tournaments? We took that question to heart and are here to offer you, you guessed it, more tournaments. Any constructive criticism, pointers and observations are of course completely welcome and will help us better this service to you in the future.



What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance.
"Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"

...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary.

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CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#209 - 2012-10-01 10:41:15 UTC
Cat Casidy wrote:
What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance.
"Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"

...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary.

Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9.

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Mawderator
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#210 - 2012-10-01 11:26:02 UTC
CCP Bro wrote:
Cat Casidy wrote:
What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance.
"Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"

...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary.

Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9.


So despite you endorsing metagaming, you actually expect people to play nice when real life cash is on the line?
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#211 - 2012-10-01 11:37:21 UTC
Mawderator wrote:
CCP Bro wrote:
Cat Casidy wrote:
What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance.
"Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"

...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary.

Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9.


So despite you endorsing metagaming, you actually expect people to play nice when real life cash is on the line?

I fail to see how these two situations are comparable. One is a corporation theft and the other is throwing a match in a tournament with specific rules. Also, the same rules against collusion were in effect for ATX and there was no real life cash on the line there. It's not about the prize in any way, it is about hosting an entertaining event.

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Molinator Agnon
Oruze Cruise
#212 - 2012-10-01 11:42:22 UTC
I'm very glad this tournament is happening.

The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.

From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.

15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.

That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.
Admiral Goberius
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#213 - 2012-10-01 11:47:37 UTC
Molinator Agnon wrote:
I'm very glad this tournament is happening.

The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.

From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.

15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.

That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.


it takes more than 15 minutes to just hand out the prefitted ships, ammo, implants to everyone and double check that everything is fine
CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#214 - 2012-10-01 13:40:32 UTC
Molinator Agnon wrote:
I'm very glad this tournament is happening.

The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.

From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.

15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.

That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.


Admiral Goberius wrote:
it takes more than 15 minutes to just hand out the prefitted ships, ammo, implants to everyone and double check that everything is fine


Exactly Admiral, that is why we opted to have the bans 45 minutes before to give teams adequate time to adapt to the banned ships. As for your comment Molinator, we will show the bans and discuss them just before we go into the match. This should hopefully take away any need for a score card to keep track of what ships are being banned for each match.

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sonny2dap
Zolo Cartel
#215 - 2012-10-01 15:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: sonny2dap
I gotta say I Like the idea and i'll tune in, I've also gotta say I am 100% on board with the entry requirements at this stage, yes this does limit the participants to primarily null alliances/rich but for the time being it is the only way to ensure some level of ability within the participants. as has been pointed out if your well known enough/can demonstrate your skill there's no reason a group of players cant organise a team and come up with the minimum required, I think some of the examples given in this thread of metagaming to the extreme are exactly that, and anything that extreme is likely obvious and CCP can step in if they feel the need.

Now I have to admit I would like to see a competitive arena within the main game ( I am aware of resistance to this idea)
but a league system/qualification system supported by an entry fee as an extension of the tournament format in the future. would certainly add to the game imo.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2012-10-01 16:09:00 UTC
I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.

(Thread title is wrong.)

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CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#217 - 2012-10-01 17:28:15 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.

(Thread title is wrong.)

Or is it?

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Kharmha
Sttarrlighte Industries
#218 - 2012-10-01 17:32:37 UTC
Dierdra Vaal wrote:
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:
why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction


Technically it's now just limited to people who have 20+ plex laying around - alliance or not.


Yes, this is true, but dont forget about the auction to get your team into the tourny.
It is 'starting out' as 20 plex's, but if 32 teams bid more then 20 plex each, your team bidding 20 plex is out.
I honestly see this as another allince tourny, just it wont be called that.
Who wants to wager that most if not all teams are each from 1 corp/alliance and its basicly another alliance tourny?


CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#219 - 2012-10-01 17:56:49 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
I think two years ago there was a comment that Eve Tournaments were something that CCP no longer really budgeted for because they were costly and did not provide a measurable return. Has that changed at all?

In order to create a truly competitive e-sport out of Eve you need to make the competition that happens in the tournament a way that you can play the game normally. This is the case in every other e-sport. As it is now, because of how much effort it is, only very dedicated groups go out of their way to recreate the environment of the competition for practice. More and more people are doing this but it is still a lot of effort. Some people have suggested that Eve needs some sort of arenas. Do you have any thoughts on this?

"Players who are suspected of joining multiple teams to disrupt the tournament or auction process may be subject to administrative penalties including loss of access to their accounts."

This sounds like accounts are being banned from Eve not the tournament. If this is true, banning accounts from Eve based on suspicion alone is pretty drastic. What will be done to prevent someone suspected but not guilty from getting their accounts banned? Will there be some communication between CCP and the player before action is taken?

Thanks.

Regarding the first part of your post, it is true that practicing and doing tournaments at this time is a hassle in EVE and if this becomes a more regular thing we will of course look to provide players with the tools necessary to practice more efficiently. How and if that will be done is uncertain at this point.

Regarding the second part of the post, we will of course thoroughly investigate any infringements of the rules and only act if we have evidence that we deem conclusive. I honestly hope that people can respect the rules and put on a good show while striving towards winning the tournament with their piloting skills. After all, you want to be able to call yourself "The best team in EVE" and not "The team that tried to cheat".

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#220 - 2012-10-01 18:15:48 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.

(Thread title is wrong.)


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